Up to 200 Russian advisers killed in last week’s clash with US forces in Syria
In the first military clash between US and Russian forces in Syria, more than 200 Russian “mercenaries” are reported killed, scores more injured. US military sources first reported that 100 Russian “advisers” were killed and dozens injured in a US attack on Syrian and allied pro-Iranian forces on Feb. 8. By Tuesday, Feb. 13, those figures had doubled. Moscow has not confirmed the incident or the casualties, which would be five times more than Russian official losses since it entered the war in 2015. President Vladimir Putin’s spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, declined to comment, saying the Kremlin only tracks data on the country’s armed forces. According to one Russian officer, the death toll continues to rise after scores of Russian wounded were flown to hospitals in Moscow and St. Petersburg.
DEBKAfile’s military sources reported exclusively on Feb. 9 that US special forces had struck Russian military engineers laying a floating bridge on the Euphrates River near Deir ez-Zour for Syrian army, Hizballah and other pro-Iranian forces to cross to the east bank. That engagement unfolded when US forces posted in eastern Syria repelled a Syrian-pro-Iranian attack led by T-72 and T-55 tanks on a base held by American and US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces east of the Euphrates River near the oil town of Tabiye.
The strike force was fighting under the command of Iranian Revolutionary Guards officers. It included members of the Afghan Shiite militia imported by Tehran, pro-Assad troops of the Syrian National Defense Forces, local Arab tribesmen and Russian mercenaries. Those mercenaries were provided by Wagner, a Russian private military contractor, which supplies ground forces to fight for Assad alongside the pro-Iranian and Russian combatants.
Against that fighting strength, the Americans used F-22 Raptors, F-15 Strike Eagles, Air Force AC-130 gunships, Marine artillery and Army Apache attack helicopters, as well as Special Operations forces, which stopped the multiple assault in its tracks.
WOW! I’m I the only one who thanks that this would be huge news. If Russia killed 200 Americans I would be calling for a declaration of war.
Even though Russia I’d assume wouldn’t be stupid enough to do such a thing. Maybe that’s why they’re keeping this hush hush, so Russian politicians don’t demand retaliation.
That’s a very large amount of Russian dead for one battle. I’m not sure how it would be possible to keep this under raps.
Maybe there mercenaries should stay home and not fight along side terrorists. It would be a lot safer.
One thing if Russia is quiet , you better get worried. Until now no one escapes Russian Revenge as has happened in the past to coalition office attached to the Terrorists last time.
Another major thing. They did not expect air attacks and expected only ground forces as they were targeting terrorists in the area.
If this is true, which most likely false to feel good over the loss of the F16, then expect a reprisal . No doubt about it
Meanwhile Syria is out of bound to Israel planes
US? Depending on how Russia and Iran will decide.
Syria is out of bound to Israeli planes, eh? You know this for an undisputed fact? So if Israel drops more bombs, that means you’re a moron, right? Or no, I guess in your case the correct term would be moronovitch, my apologies. I know you want revenge for your dumbass comrades, but watch more of them die if they try it.
Yes, Syria is out of bound for Israel.
Don’t believe those feel good fairy tales about destroying half of Syrian air defence.
Assad /Iran for first time CONFIDENTLY said no more and they have enough missiles to do so.
Otherwise they would have remained quiet.
All air strikes after downing of F16 failed and all Israeli planes dropped their load and flew back home when painted.
Take paint of salt any Israeli/US claims which more often than not are fakes and many times childish
So let’s see if Israel can hence forth fly freely as before.
Let’s wait
Comrade, why wait? Apparently you’ve personally toured all the sites Israel attempted to hit, we can just take your word for it that nothing was scratched. Israel should just give up, surrender and beg for their pitiful lives because some Kremlin troll named Petr says so.
Sounds like Moscow’s getting a little bit desperate for positive press. Maybe they should announce that Putin managed to touch a rainbow and capture its pot of gold, to be spent replacing the tanks the US just blew up.
Idiotic troll. To know this as a fact, one doesn’t have to wait!!!
Peter,
Fact:
Russia is nothing compared to the military power of the US.
I rest my case..
when you have NY on fire , and Israel in ashes , than say it . as for now i suggest to you all to keep quiet …..
I Cant stop U.S.A from catching fire… nor can anyone prevent isreal from becoming ashes for a short time. Thats prophecy. But the destruction of all men will be light in comparison to the hell awaiting all my enemies. You will beg for fire and ashes once you realize they are just a symbol for true eternal torment
“when you have NY on fire———–”
@solomeo,
If NY is on fire, it won’t be too long before those responsible are also on fire, be it Russia, Iran or Hezbollahstan (formerly Lebanon).
“————–as for now i suggest to you all to keep quiet”
Only liberals bury their heads in the sand and keep quiet.
Steve,
Yes, can be and can be not Russia is nothing compared with US. Let’s see if the S400 are real or fakes.
Now we shall have to see if Russia will allow US to get away with those killings using air power on defenceless soldiers killed.
The next time, I believe iranian SAM or Russian SAM will fly as once bitten twice shy.
There is no way Assad can allow US to stay …. they can even call those barefooted Houthis to join in lolv
“Now we shall have to see if Russia will allow US to get away with those killings using air power on defenceless soldiers killed.”
@Peter,
Are you referring to the Russian MERCENARY soldiers (or “advisers” as the Russians refer to them) who were killed alongside Hezbollah, Syrian and Iranian troops ???????
Since when are mercenary soldiers “defenseless” ????????
Well so far Russia is winning and US and Israel lost .
Even the latest round only one plane dared to cross into Syria and that the F16 shot down. Most of the cruise missiles were shot down and only a few got thru.
Latest reports from Russia.
and those 200 dead Russians also proven false . Fake news to feel good for you guys
Iran said no country sent in their planes for a drone
It was only after the apachi helicopter that was brought down that Israel attacked.
If the voices inside Comrade Petr’s head say so, it must surely be true. Guys, stop picking on him, he’s just trying to feel good about being born in a failed society.
“I would be calling for war”. Would you enlist?
So far, this seems as a hearsay. The so called “Wagner group” is said to have been among the pro-government Syrian forces that came under strike. No worries, if that’s true, there’d be a little t of yanks coming home in bags.
Wagner? That’s not a Russian name. It’s German.
You are delusional. Yanks got nothing on Russia. Neither technologically nor in terms of human material.
If Russia couldn’t steal technology developed by America, Russia would have NOTHING.
Well I don’t know about the technology part, Russia still looks and functions a lot like a medieval village straight out of a Borat movie. However, when it comes to getting drunk and behaving like monkeys, you are second to none. Ypa!
They just have nearly cleaned up Syria of militants supported by the west in a couple of years.
“…Meanwhile Syria is out of bound to Israel planes”. That comment is clearly not true.
Straight after the F16 was downed. The IAF went straight back in and took out ANOTHER 12 targets – and returned home without further loss. The loss of the F16 was due to an operational error – it was flying too high and still in range of SA-5’s. There was another F16 that had also been painted, but it was able to dive in time to a safer level.
In regard to Russia. Nobody is going win anything in this place. Russia should go home, Turkey should butt out, Iran most definitely should leave before its own homeland is threatened, Hizballah should return to Lebanon, and Syria should stop its provocation of Israel by allowing arms shipments and drones, etc.
We all know for sure, that this collective of enemies is building up for war with Israel. One word. Dont.
Don’t believe what you read in your media.
It was reported all attacks failed and Iran and Assad emphatically said….no more.
Let’s wait and see if Israel can do so otherwise Nethanyahoo would not have had emergency meeting.
He is desperate
Did you read that in Pravda or Sputnik news. Lol
They will be going home all we have to do is outspend them….they can’t afford it! we don’t even need strategy and they know it
The ones who need to start getting the RF out of Syria are the star-spangled fuскs. Their presence is illegal to begging with, they started that war for a aingle purpose – to farther distabilize ME. When yanks are gone, the whole situation will sort itself out.
There wan’t be anything, you have just little understanding about Russian politics, first of all those were non official Russian troops, just “solders of fortune”, because Putin already said that no Russian troops were involved and if he said so than it is so… another thing is that according to the Russian law and even constitution, mercenaries are forbidden in Russia…
Officially, so, this casualties really happened and there will be no response, the guys from FSB already spoke with all the relatives of the fallen and cnvinsed them to keep quite.
For Putin it was a test, if they can get their hands on the Syrian oil to put there Gazprom, it didn’t work out, so no problem, nobody cares.
Fake news for comforting worried minds
Israel destroyed 1/2 of Syria’s air defense systems nationwide and could easily take down the other half. Looks like Iran and Russia’s free reign in Syria has come to a screeching halt. If I were Russia, I would pull out of Syria, because Iran is going to drag Russia into a confrontation with the USA and Israel. Syria isn’t worth it to Russian interests.
That is for now. Russia is ready to sell a new set of AA Systems to Iran/Syria whomever will pay the bills. So it’s just a matter of time before they re-arm
Voice 1: “… In short, this fucking fucked ours, that’s shorter: in one company fuck 200 people fuck two hundred immediately, in another 10 people and that’s about the third I do not know, but there also disheveled very much in general that’s shorter than three companies it hurt, that’s when they beat the pindos, at first they covered the fucking asshole with an arta and then they raised four fiddles and fucked into the merry-go-round a shorter fighter from the large-caliber machine guns. In the shortest time, we fucked at our machine-guns, fucking nothing at all, but, well, so on, shorter disintegrated there finally can well arranged an ad am and pindos specifically and clearly knew fuck that we are going, the Russians here are our going to squeeze the plant and they at this plant shorter sat shorter
You’re incoherent, please take better drugs before posting. 🙂
lol. Thinking the same thing.
I think he smoked instead of snort. Schmuck can’t read either…
I have to agree with this post. It’s written in code which is why it appears incoherent.
Russia got its butt kicked and did nothing about because now america has a real no nonsense
commander and chief
The Port of Tartus and the Air Bases are far more important than 200 Mercenaries who don’t officially exist.
Ignorant sheep Humperdinck.
Russia is a poor country that makes a lot of noise. Great at symphonies and novels, not so good as mercenaries.
Why is Syria out of bounds to Israeli planes? After the loss of the F16, the IAF, retaliated against the Syrian missile defenses and eliminated 50% of Syria’s air defense. AM YISROEL CHAI
you are enormouslywrong to beleive that russia can fight us army. the american is the master of war .if you take russia from his nuke . it be nothing face to US . in 2003 THREE US DIVSION DESTROYED IN TEN DAYS OF FIGHT SADDAM’ entire army. have you forget that man? if russia trigger a fight after us after that US ARMY WILL GET RID OF RUSSIA FROM SYRIA NO DOUBT IT. RUSSIA KNOW THAT . THAT IS THAT YOU EAR FROM KREMLIN THAT IS ONLY PROPAGANDA , AWAY TO HIDE THE BLOW AND THEIR INCAPACITY TO REPLY BEACUSE OF CONSEQUENCES!!!!!!
You´re right.
We can see this capabilities in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq. How long? 17 years? And a result is?
Oh, snowflake!
not true, they never retaliated against Turkey for shooting down one of their jets.
If 200 Russians were killed, how many Iranians were killed? how many hezbollah were killed?
The thing about the Americans is people always smak-talk them right up to the first engagement. Then they stfu.
Fake news for local feel good otherwise UD planes would be falling From the sky
So far nothing.
YOU ARE SAD MAN VERY YOU ARE COUNTING ON RUSSIA BUT OBAMA ERA IS OVER MAN!!!! NOW IT WILL BE THE STICK SORRY FOR YOU
Just fucking take the US Zionist filth bag bases….enough the world is ready to de-consyruct Israel and the US…….
You bark just like Sadaams henchman who predicted “the mother of all battles”.
LOL!
Ain’t that the truth.
Yes, Baghdad Bob all over again.
Filth Bags ! How dare you Fatima!! Now go shave your moustache before
you embarrass your Hamula
I hope you are soon surrounded by Mosques, hear the Call of the Muezzin at 5:45 every morning and pass smelly hairy Arab women as you walk down your block
I am appalled that Debka, would print your filth. You are obviously not American as you are ignorant of English spelling and grammar.
Agreed, is a huge story if truly accurate.
Were the Merc’s actual Russians & Ukrainians or just a bunch of ex-pats that no one cares about?
Is Russian radar now protecting all of Lebanon, Syria and Iran against Israeli airstrikes, what can be done about that?
What are the new red lines that will cause airstrikes? What are the reprisals.
Almost appears as the New Cold War is playing out right here, Putin backing his thug proxies, cut outs against US and Israel.
You must be intellectually challenged.The whole point it that the Kremlin sent its forces on the offensive against a vastly superior military power,The USA.The modus of thought was in the Kremlin was that Putin had convinced the USA it was not an ant though its endless charades.However the performance of the Kremlin’s forces has only reinforced the prognosis that the Kremlin is a weak and minor power.The Kremlins gambit was that it would get away with killing Americans because the USA fears Russia.Unfortunately for Putin he has just found out that no one is fooled and to make it worse the response was coordinated with Israel.hence sending a clear message to Iran Moscow and Assad.your days are numbed if you repeat your last actions
They got what they deserved
They went to kill and got killed and thats fare
And they know now what they are up to agains ; The Wrath of Power
and they can’t do nothing against
yeah, you’re already holding my family as hostages, Custer. Easy to make threats from behind a bunch of hostages.
I dont think this debka article has any kind of facts, if US forces killed this amount of Russian forces, it was easy for russians to bomb us bases in kurdish area, therefore this article in my opinion is some kind of israel propaganda to show his hate for russia
Hey, idiot. read much? the same fact were reported in many major media outlets.
BBC reported 2 russians maybe died last week among syrian and hizballah in US attacks, im sure you need brain surgery if you think debka report is correct, its obvious israel hates russia so much and make this kind of fake news to satisfy israelis worried minds
then your on here reading the news that they report, why? Cause your a troll.
You believe the BBC? It is based in London which has a Muslim Mayor. The BBC is infiltrated. It broadcasts fake news like msnbc level in the USA Trump cannot even go to UK because media have copied Clinton Dossier lies, as facts to the British people.
Check St.Petersburg and Moscow hospital admissions. Many wounded were flown there from this US defensive action. Real journalism old skool style.
F22 Raptors tasted first blood and it was Russian, Iranian & Hezbollah.
If Russia attempts to violate an agreement and attack US forces without even admitting to it, and the US acts in self defense, that’s not a declaration of war on America’s part. If Russia then openly retaliates and goes after US forces, that on the other hand is a very clear declaration of war, and there are no easy targets for Russia in this one compared to what the US can hit in exchange. A superpower Russia is not and will never be again- give Spain or Italy a few thousand nukes and they’d be a far more serious threat.
Putin waits, Putin never moves without thinking, and Putin always gets revenge for Russian deaths. I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop.
“Maybe ***there*** mercenaries should stay home and not fight along side terrorists. It would be a lot safer.”
Individuals like you should first learn basic English grammar.
The worst thing is that the “Russian” mercenaries are going to miss the Winter Olympics.
They fight alongside forces who fight ISIS and other sunny Islamist fanatics, you are confused by all the fake news,so far up until Trump the US have been supporting Islamic-terrorists
of the kalifat.
200 is a big understatement. Up to 2000 dead and hundreds of wounded is the real number but they’ll never admit it. Some sources even claim a pair of SU-35 were downed along with SU-57. A major embarrassment for the Russian military.
All involved , as it looks belonged to so called Wagner Company. Presumably a private military contractors run by former GRU and Spetznaz officers and “volunteers” with experience of the military service in the Russian army, which gives the regime the possibility to say that no regular military personnel was involved and no casualties incurred.
Russia has “plausible deniability”….but I’m sure they are very pissed off..it’s ok…they’ll just hack the next election as payback.
The world is coming in it’s drives for the Zionist Extremists…..
Actually the word is “droves” and no, there aren’t really “droves” – there’s a few thousand, and so far they haven’t been able to make an effective mark on either the US or Israel. That’s not say that they wont in the future, but so far, not a very good performance. Notice that this assault was led by the Iranians…they’ll have to do a lot better..so far in battle situations the IRG has not performed very well at all. This is another incident..
Or may be start with Israeli F16. Who is next? The American are just like Israeli, occupying Syrian lands and then saying Syrian are not allowed in this part or that part. Would they allow or accept for another country to carve up the resourceful part of America and tell them they can not take it back. They can not stay in Syria forever, the more they get involved there is more chance of them getting hurt and then they have to leave Syria just like Iraq.
“———– The American are just like Israeli, occupying Syrian lands and then saying Syrian are not allowed in this part or that part. Would they allow or accept for another country to carve up the resourceful part of America and tell them they can not take it back. They can not stay in Syria forever, the more they get involved there is more chance of them getting hurt and then they have to leave Syria just like Iraq.”
@Taz,
Are you forgetting about the Russians in Syria right now———–what about Russian involvement in Afghanistan during the 1980’s?
The Russian took over Afghanistan and they paid dearly, The American supported the Al-Qaeda against the Russian and they paid dearly. When you plant yourself in another country without invitation you will get stuck in there no matter who you are. They can not just take over oilfield which are not in Kurdish area and expect to keep it forever and the Kurd are being used in Syria as the American foot soldiers and the will be sacrificed one day just like the Kurd in Iraq and the funny thing is the Kurd are suppose to be left wingers. America supporting Marxist Leninist lol.
Who knows maybe Hillary will get involved again.
No, she will only do it if money is involved and she can have some of it.
Q: What does Russia call their ‘Special Forces’? A: Spetsnaz
Q: What is so special about the Spetsnaz? A: They die in large numbers when exposed to Americans.
Says the Khazar fuck boy….lol…..you cowardly piece of garbage…do you know America has found out the Zionists have stealing from them…..oh sir your really dumb…..you have no idea what is coming do you ?
Happy Nakba, Comrade!
Put your clean underwear on for your 72 virgin “raisins”.
You’re an embarrassment to your family, your race and yourself.
The F-16 was a ploy by IDF to get 1/2 of Syria air defence knocked out
It sound very good plan to me
So mercenaries of Rusia, Iran ,Syria ,Hesbollah died. the dirty work is don by people who fight for money.
i hope they get paid forward. Dombo,s .
Assad ,Putin, Khamenei, Nassralah, are drinking champane.
Need more of this news..hope this happens again so that the faggot putin get put in his place…a dog having his tail between his legs
Hope so
Very good job for Americans
10/10 points
For such a small attacking force that is one hell of lot of Russian advisors.
” used F-22 Raptors, F-15 Strike Eagles, Air Force AC-130 gunships, Marine artillery and Army Apache attack helicopters, as well as Special Operations forces”
isnt a small force at all, the AC-130 alone sets as a small army
I was referring to the other force aligned with Syria.
The Americans didn’t even have one guy wounded.
F22 Raptors.
Israeli F35s.
I wonder how Iran and Syria are going to do now they tried promoting themselves to the premiership?
European leaders and everyone in West Ukraine and the Baltics are hoping that Russia shoots down another Israeli plane and makes Israel flatten every Russian asset in Syria and the Med. Then Russia has a choice: to Nuke or Not to Nuke. If they try attacking Israel, bye bye Russia = a NATO win.
Or Israel could just flatten Damascus and with Assad gone the Russians are gone from Syria = a NATO win.
Putin is being backed into a corner by the Mullahs in Iran: I thought the guy was Mr Muscles not Mrs Dhimmi.
Nobody will win a nuclear war. It is Apocalypse, the END of Everything.
SORRY MAN IF RUSSIA TRIGGER A NUCLEAR WAR . IT WILL BE DEFEATED THE US WILL WIN .YOU NEED TO ADVICE RUSSIA NOT TO PLAY WITH THE FIRE
The Anglo Zionists are the biggest threat to world peace The only reason why you are in Syria is…….[please fill in the blanks]. More shit stirring.
US does only one thing well – conflict. It is a conflict peddler. This is blowing back tremendously, we see this all over the Middle East. People are tired of your propaganda and conflict peddling.
Welcome to the new Sick Man of the World – the USA. Losing control and going to end up the way of the USSR. Only a matter of time.
I am a Zionist what you gonna do now?
Before the Neila prayer on Yom Kippur Rabbi Avraham Yoshe Freund of Mansod said:
“It is not because they are Zionists that they are evildoers. It is because they are evildoers that they are Zionists.”
Rabbi Aharon Roth said:
“It is a miracle that these evildoers don’t command everyone to put on tefillin. It is possible that were they to do it, G-d forbid, it may be forbidden to put them on.”
The Chazon Ish said:
“If it is hard to understand the whole matter of the Golden Calf, by seeing the matter of the State, one can understand it. The matter of the State is similar to the Golden Calf”
Rabbi Elchonon Wasserman said:
“It is certain as the sun shines that the Land will vomit the Zionists out, because the Land is the Palace of the King….I don’t say this either to curse or to bless, but because these are things which are written in the Torah and which will take place.”
Rabbi Chaim Soloveitchik said:
“The Zionists aren’t taking Jews away from Judaism in order to have a State, THEY NEED A STATE IN ORDER TO TAKE JEWS AWAY FROM JUDAISM”
Rabbi Yechezkel Shraga Halberstam once said:
“When a Jew recites ‘Hear O Israel, the Lord your G-d, the Lord is One’ he should have in mind rejecting all idolatry in the world, including Zionism, which is also idolatry.”
Rabbi Yissachar Dov of Belz said:
” There could be, before the arrival of Mashiach, that the Satan should succeed, and the evildoers should get a State in the Land of Israel. Their state would be a big danger for every Jew in material and spiritual matters.”
The Chafetz Chaim, Rabbi Israel Meir Hakohen said:
“In my opinion it is clear that the Zionists are from the offspring of AMALEK.”
Rabbi Yitzchak Zev Soloveitchik (Reb Velvel) said:
“How can the little rabbis and heads of yeshivas take upon themselves the determination of things dealing with life and death? It is obvious that the partition will bring with it the anger and hostility of the Arabs and other nations of the world. This whole thing touches on the shedding of blood. HOW DO THEY HAVE THE ARROGANCE TO MAKE JUDGEMENTS DEALING WITH LIFE AND DEATH?
“The Agudah is nothing, just money.” Rabbi Moshe Leib Diskin said: “The rabbis of the generation should gather together and issue a writ of excommunication against the Zionists and eject them from the Jewish People, and make decrees against their bread and wine, and to forbid marrying with them, JUST LIKE OUR SAGES DID WITH THE SAMARITANS.”
Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Eherenreich said:
“The Zionists brought us to the Holocaust. It is well known that it was possible to redeem Jews from the Nazis with money, and save many hundreds of thousands of Jews in Hungary from the fire. THE ZIONIST LEADERS WHO NOW SIT IN GOVERNMENT PREVENTED IT!”
Rabbi Shaul Brach of Kashoa said:
“Before thinking up the idea of Zionism, Herzl wanted all Jews to convert to Christianity. When he was laughed at, he developed the second idea which was able to have more effect, since thousands of Jews began to believe they could be Jews without the Torah of Judaism.”
“I am also surprised at the leaders of the Agudah who want thousands of Jews to move to Eretz Israel. How can they ignore the welfare of their children, since there is no other place on earth where there is so much heresy and sectarianism as in the Holy Land in our day.”
THe_’WeST’, a model for parasite-altered host behaviour
@iVaN,
You’ve regurgitated enough B-U-L-L-F-E-A-T-H-E-R-S for today———–now remember to take your meds on time and share that community computer with the other patients in your ward!
tl:dr
Are the Russians ccuping Syrian lands? The Iranians? Americans are there to help Syrians reclaim their country from a brutal dictator. Russia supports the brutal dictator. Good guys win this battle, Russia gets a bloody nose. The picture does not look like mercs. They look fully military. Russian military engineers are not mercs. They story does not yet add up.
God will bring you down against Israel
and less then 15% off you and your friends will be left alive.
No, actually its islam and their collaborating globalist friends – such as obama, EU, UN, that are the greatest threat. They have been weakening the West and the US – so that now we have a resurgence by Russia and China – and Iran, and to lesser degree North Korea. The USA, Israel and other countries not aligned – are certainly, totally far from perfect – but if it comes to pass that Russia, Iran or China get to defeat the USA and its allies. Then that is a world I wouldn’t want me and my family to live in. These regimes, especially China and anything islamic, have a very very bad track record when comes to human rights. It will be HELL. Let’s not kid ourselves. This is whats coming if these forces are not checked.
Proud to be an Anglo Zionist. Keep calling me that please!
Putin’s thinking is western rational, influenced by KGB tactics, not military ones. The Iranians play long-term like the Chinese. Their reasoning is not linear but elliptic.
Putin has Kremlin constraints so he knows he cannot last forever, whereas Iran is not just one person at the top, and Iran can pretend they can survive for longer than he is around. Putin has definite short and middle term goals. They have long term. It does not matter to them if they lose a little here and there, it is the long term game that matters. These two countries are allies but they are not in proper sync. Also, there is a technological assymmetry between the two. The problem for the Russians has always been that if they give the Iranians too few advanced weapons then the Iranians get hammered. If they give the Iranians too many, Russian loses control over the Iranians who start doing as they please. They also have different geo-political objectives that partly clash with each other.
Putin is extremely cautious and patient in some ways, but everyone has their breaking point, especially as he has to watch his reputation like a hawk, or take some poison or bullets to his back at home.
The added value in the US counter-strike was not only stopping it but wrecking the unholy alliance on the ground. They will think twice about co-operating as such a motley crew again. But the Iranians, having now learnt that Russian tanks may be superior against bandits with automatic weapons but not enough against such an assortment of weapons that the US have, will now equip themselves with more advanced weapons (maybe with Russian weapons if Putin allows it.) and come back when they have done that. Expect the Russians now to supply just one new type of weapon to the Iranians that might stop a similar counter-strike next time.
Putin would have been an absolute idiot to allow Hizbollah and Iran into the theatre in Syria if his goal was only to clean up ISIS or Al Qaeda in Syria. But if his middle term goal is to strengthen Iran and Hizbollah and provide them with war training for their final onslaught on Israel, then he naturally wants them to do the work on the ground well and is prepared to give them the training opportunities they need. Although Putin is cautious in some ways he nevertheless likes risk. It is a risky strategy letting their future attack on Israel be on the ground while Russia supplies and mans the control units for the Iranian missiles and drones. Before they get into form, he has to be prepared to accept these losses, which is why he runs with the perfectly obvious trick of volunteers that are no part of the statistics in order to pull the wool over the eyes of the citizens at home. He did the same in Ukraine.
Not a bad analysis, except that Russia does not want to attack Israel. They have a good relationship. Russia has its own Muslim extremist problem, and sees Israel as its ally in that fight. The reason Putin is in Syrian is for the port and the airfields.
Nice Psyops….the US extortion racket along with their Jihadi butt boys and Jizraeli sidekicks couldn’t defeat Syria, Russia or Iran, 3 countries heavily sanctioned. That must feel humiliating, so they need to prove their manhood by trying to start a wider war by way of propaganda.
Poor fools, the Yankee empire is at all time lows. Going any lower is not going to get you any higher.
Too bad your candidate Hillary lost the election.
Pootin had Obama in his pocket, but now Pootin has Trumps boot up his ass.
It took the combination of Russia army ,Iran army , Syria army ,helbola , afghan shia militias 8 years to beat ISIS goatboys and still ISIS continues. Nice try mohamud lplolzlzlzlzl
Actually, ISIS goat boys had State-backing. We’re talking about the combined intelligence agencies, pooled financial resources and massive combined propaganda of:
USA
Israel
Jordan
Saudi Arabia
Qatar
Turkey
UK
France
UAE
+ Western mainstream media cheerleaders
So Syria, Iran and Russia did extremely well to win against this massive onslaught of money, propaganda and cannon fodder. Which only means that no matter how big of an onslaught you can muster, if you pick fickle losers as your butt boys, you will lose before the war would even begin.
At the end of the day the fact remains. It has taken the combined armies of Syria ,Russia,Iran ,hazboluh,Afghan militias 8 years to stalemate ISIS goat boys.
We are backing into a series of event leading to retaliation in unexpected ways and places. Communications satellites disabled? False flag EMP/HAMP event over North America is in capability of North Korea as well as the usual suspects. Someone in the jolly group of US adversaries makes a couple of nuclear detonations in the Troposphere over North America and we step into Forschen’s book ONE SECOND AFTER….
Food distribution in the lower 48 slows way down because EMP cripples motor ttransport near 100% dependent on computer controls. Maybe Elon Musk should consider enhancing US rail capacity & reach with a new Sierra crossing along US50 Corridor. ELON MUSK TUNNEL between Strawbwerry CA and Genoa Nevada brings rails near his Nevada plants….. The Musk should put Mars on hold.
Who are these russian mercenaries:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-miller/the-insane-story-of-russi_b_4317729.html
Loony left propaganda publication worthy of a comedy and fiction award zero credibility
Greater Israel Project continues with genocide and murder and lies…..
Nigerian occupation and genocide in Biafra —2 million killed
Sudanese genocide and occupation of Darfur –2 million killed
Indonesian occupation of Papua –500,000 killed
Turkish occupation of Cyprus and Kurdistan—80,000 killed
Russian occupation of Chechnya,Crimea,Kaliningrad ,Dagestan–200,000 killed
Alawite regime of Syria –500,000 killed
Israel pali conflict -20,000 pali killed
Close,
In all of Israels wars from 1948 till present including intifadas, terrorist activities, etc,
a total of 50,000 dead. About 15,000 Jews, and about 35,000 arabs.
So, obviously, Israel is the worlds nastiest country that deserves as much condemnation as possible.
Pootins plan to control the world’s oil supply with Fascist Iran just ran into a NAKBA.
No, there are lies from both sides, but the worst emanate predominantly from Israel’s enemies who don’t have any scrutiny placed on them by their own people. They are not accountable, control everything. So, whatever they say – unless it can be independently verified too – must be discounted. They are a true propaganda outfit which has always been Israel’s weakness – not aggressively putting their case forward. Leaving untruths, half-truths to perpetuate.
Wagner Group is like the US Blackwater/Xe Services… Both of them founded by ex special forces officiers…
Remember the Kursk submarine disaster… Russia allwayse exercise restraint…
This is a proxy war… US proxies will pay for the death of Wagner’s mercenaries…
My sources tell me that Mr Putin will take revenge personally. Be on the lookout for a topless blonde guy , early 60’s carrying a nuclear emp device in his right hand and a ferocious black bear with his left hand ,astride a stallion at the apex of 2 colliding rainbows. Keep your pants on fanboys ,its none other than your fantasy bro ,bad vlad putin !!!$!$
Chinese (west coast) and Russian (east coast and gulf of mexico) submarines will conduct a first strike against the U.S. Good luck.
Sue (mohamud lol)
Since you have inside info ,prove yourself truthful and give an estimate when this will happen ?
The funniest part is how these prophets assume it’s somehow harder for Russia to strike at the west coast as compared to the east, and they would therefore need to outsource it to China. Guess they don’t know where Vladivostok is on a map.
it doesn’t take a prophet to know that the fck eu’s will nuke. they already did it once, for sh!ts and giggles, and to make it damn clear that they would. this is why China invest in their nuclear triad. It therefor follows that in any confrontation with America a nuclear strike is inevitable. for this one reason, there hasn’t been a war up til today.
you play with the best you get fuuucked like the rest
HEY WERE WAS S400 THAT CAN” INTERCEPT” STEALTH PLANES DID PUTIN HAVE IT TURNED OFF AGAIN HA NOT A CHANCE S400 IS NO WERE GOOD ENOUGH TO TAKE OUT F22 OF F35 MURICA RULES THE SKYS
Were you born in a cave? Learn some manners and stop shouting.
If true, this is terrible news.
Like downing an IAF F-16I. You want to be able to pull it off. But the consequences arent likely to be worth it. Not in terms of material loss, nor in the loss of expertise, should the wrong techs die at the post of your radars.
In terms of the 200 russian possible dead, well, the trolls are out in force and being exceptionally rude, so somethings got them riled up, it may be true. If it is, likely they ate it when the ribbon bridge went down. I doubt the intention was to have 200 dead russians on their hands. Plausible deniability only goes so far, this will piss Russian oligarchs off no end. The loss of expertise alone would be devastating, There’ll be consequences. Expect to see some very left field activities out of Syria over the coming few weeks.
I take it back.
Looks like Russkis were operating as infantry assault forces and got decimated by proper air/artillery support.
This is nuts.
Talk about a shocking misstep intentionally attacking US forces.
Strangely, this is even worse. An accident is one thing, calculated stupidity is another. This reads like Barbra Tuchmans march of folly.
How truly stupid an action this was.
A Rag Tag group of inexperience fighters with little concept of force on force battle. Their commanders should have known better to pick a fight with no airforce or long range weapons. They may have been over confident fighting jihadists that travel by dirt bikes and AK47s as primary weapon. They would have fared better dropping ordinance by drones on the FOB or using a 155mm from 25 miles away first to soften things up.
USA! USA! USA!
(Democrat Luis Gutierrez gets offended, leaves the room.)
Trump has unshackled the DOD to do what it must to WIN, same as was done in WWII. No more “rules of engagement” that place U.S. or its allies’ assets at risk.
And what exactly does this “winning” look like? Vietnam? Afghanistan? Iraq? Libya? Yemen?
You cowboys are war criminals who think they’re saviours.
Go back to watching Hollyweird trash and keep away from turning everything you touch into manure. Its called cutting one’s losses. The losers in Washington are bad losers, they’d rather poison the well than admit loss gracefully.
trolls are cranky. sheesh
if russia try to attack israel from syria it will be over for russia , because it will crushed and expulse from syria.in syria russi is in weakness position !!!!. it israel declare a no fly zone in syria it will be over for russia
oh GOD PROTECT TRUMP !!!!!!
Everyone will get what he/she is looking for eventually, US is itching to fight the Ruskies, Jews are looking for a fight with the Mullahs, Shiites against the Sunnis, Turks vs Kurds. We the rest are waiting for the burning Middle East engulfed in flame and hate, Armageddon.
Most of the outside world really doesn’t care!
The West is responsible for this shitshow. They support Wahhabis and Zionists then bitch about terrorism and being the victims!!!
They are the imperialists who are clinging on to a crumbling empire and toppling people’s governments at will. Empires usually pick the wrong fights towards the end. I’m sorry, but its blowing back now and I have zero sympathy for the war mongers.
sorry your countrymen died. this is what comes of foreign adventurism. Warnings were there from the start. Hope you didn’t lose anyone near or dear to you.
Meanwhile according to my ‘intelegent source’ nothing happen at all in the field, so clearly this is fake news, if indeed it have happened, where is an evident？and also how about body count mechanism, to accurately report 200 russian. Israelis just love to be duped or love of doing ‘intelectual masturbate‘.
100, 200 russians died, its all crap!!! the US and israel gov are the original creators of fake news!!! now all of sudden their news is true??????????
likely
The Russian mercenaries simply got what they deserved.
AP: The recent chaos has been exceptional: within a week, al-Qaida-affiliated rebels shot down a Russian jet, Kurdish fighters downed a Turkish helicopter, Israel downed an Iranian drone and the Syrian army shot down an Israeli F-16.
Now, the pulverising of the two tactical units of the Wagner Group can safely be popped into the same catalogue.
THANK YOU US YOU HAVE SHOWN WHO IS THE REAL MASTER!!!!!! RUSSIA RECEIVED A BIG PUNISHMENT. RUSSIA FORGOT THAT THE OBAMA ERA HAS FINISHED MORE A YEAR AGO. NOW THEY KNOW THAT TRYING TO CONFRONT US MILITARY POWER IS A BIG RISK!!!!!
Were you too born in a cave? Learn some manners and stop shouting.
The US has “Mad Dog” Mattis running our defense dept now. He’s a retired Marine General. He has been quoted as saying when asked “what keeps him up at night” – His reply was “nothing, I keep other people up at night! Mad Dog will fight!! I’m glad our Raptors were in the air covering the F15’s and gunships.
However you try to weasel your way out of it, at the end of the day, the US empire is illegally in Syria, and it committed war crimes such as attempted regime change, providing material, intelligence and financial support to Wahhabi terrorists, not to mention the murder many people and destruction of Syrian infrastructure. Your pathetic shows of “strength” and endless wars that drag on for years with no decisive outcome (Afghanistan for >17 years and the Taliban are even stronger than before – yeah well done there) are a burden not only on the world, but on American tax payers too, for propping up weasels like Mattis who talks horsesh*t about being a tough guy.
Just admit it, your entire presence in Syria stinks like a Turd…..I mean, Kurd.
You are super mad and worked up over an event that never happened . Why so emotionally invested if it never happened ? Why you mad bro lololololol
Maybe, The Russians did not want this effective fighting force back in Russia,
Like the 90’s in Russia all over again
So they ordered the Wagner group into a foolish position, I;m not on the inside ,
But it is Russia
Lots of words above.
discourage by the blow!!!! you can cry as you want obama era was over a year ago now you need how to cry you will be discourged as you never been
These stormfags and takkiyah trolls are hilarious. Their theatrics and larping and crying about it all but prove this event happened lol. Mona Mahmudinejad……Iran hangs teenage school teachers from cranes.
I just know, there were alot of idiots in Israel, beside being idiots they are also love to spreading lies and also love to be duped. Clearly the time for Israel is near end, if they didn’t change current behaviour.
Same mercenaries who went into the Ukraine Infront of Soviet troops?
Only idiots like the last administration believe this crap.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/did-the-us-really-kill-200-russians-in-syriaor-just-a-few
The Russian took over Afghanistan and they paid dearly and got kicked out, The American supported the Al-Qaeda against the Russian and they paid dearly. When you plant yourself in another country, without invitation you will get stuck in there no matter who you are. They can not just take over oilfield which are not in Kurdish area and expect to keep it forever and the Kurd are being used in Syria as the American foot soldiers and the will be sacrificed one day just like the Kurd in Iraq and the funny thing is the Kurd are suppose to be left wingers. America supporting Marxist Leninist lol.
Putin’s first probe to test US resolve failed. There will be another. US forces are strategically placed in the way of Iran’s/Russia’s Oil and LNG pipeline to the Med and prevent highway to the Med from Iran. US pulled out all their major weapons, no half measures to let Putin know that US Isn’t going anywhere. US positions threaten Iranian advance of ground forces towards Saudi Arabia and threaten any link up with Iran’s forces in Yemen.
There will be another assault on US positions, many more men they will try their best to cause US casualties and get the left wing press to accomplish what their military cannot.
You’ll see.
Disinformation to further alienate US and Ruussua so the shoes can exploit tax payers for more free money. The shoes and their gov shoe courts can only do so much against American foreign interests. The domestic shoes can only win overseas by killing American soldiers for their greedy foreign shoes.
Still upset that your side lost WW2?
Excellent.
erm,
Mods removed my remark, meanwhile a$$h0l3 up here is making denigrating remarks about jews….
Looks like his moderator fooling shoes lie anti semitism worked better than i gave him credit for….
Says the puppets and beggars thrown out of their homes.
This chat is what happens when Russian propaganda meets Western propaganda. Russians, the American military would win any long term conflict in Syria. Americans, your nation is 21 trillion dollars in debt. You may be able to borrow enough money from China to win a conflict with Russia in Syria. However, your bills must one day be payed. Perhaps that is Putin’s end game, just simply have you spend your selves into oblivion. Also, it is interesting how eagerly some of the sheeple of two largest nuclear powers are calling for conflict.
Nahhh
Not how economics work. My professor of finance put it perfectly 99.95% of people are economically illiterate. Debt to GDP of 100% US seems catastrophic, yet, Japans debt is 260% of GDP, yet their economy is finally growing well and their currency is finally out of its 30 year deflation cycle. There are so many factors at play. Wont even try and go into it in a few short paragraphs, other than to tell you before you opine something of that magnitude you should be reading a bucket load first.
As a country, you dont pay off your debt, you out grow it. a dozen western nations have done it in the past few decades, Israels debt to GDP was over 200% in the 80’s, better fiscal policy allowed Israel to get its economy to grow faster than debt. Now its around 60%
Like i said, we’re all economically illiterate, but if you’re counting on Americas current level of debt to mean anything geopolitically, then you’ve not studied history.
Yep. I think it’s hard for people to understand that America has an $18 trillion+ economy starting to heat up with a pro-business president who does what he says. According to the Atlanta Federal Reserve, their GDP model projects an increase at a 5.4% annualized rate in the first quarter. If true global investments will fly over like metal to an MRI.
there is no western propaganda man !!!! russia had taken a big beating including its air force which disappeared from syra sky durin that engagement which lasted three hours!!!!!!
They were “called” mercenaries just in case they were killed or captured. Probably did a sham separation from service. We did the same thing before WW2 with pilots in Briton and China (i.e. Flying Tigers). This way Russia can do nothing and still save face.
Apart from its 75 year failed experiment with communism in the 20th century, Russia has been a Christian nation since 986 AD. In the 18th century, Peter the Great knew Russia’s destiny was with the West. Putin is making a terrible mistake aligning himself with Islamists.
This story is false for a number of reasons look into it you will see!
The particular reported “facts” may be untrue, yet general trend is clear. The war is escalating and spreading. Just like in the World Wars of the 20th century, all of the powers who started it and most actively participated at the early stages will find themselves de-facto losing at the end, no matter who officially “wins”.
The real winners will be those who finance and supply with war materiel all the sides, yet only join the action after the initial major combatants exhaust their strength. In the 21st century, the real winners very well may be the powers standing behind the quick rise of China. Who are they? Conspiracy theories abound, yet I “know what I don’t know”.
I applaud Debka, and Israel in general, for getting wiser and more neutral in their stance on this unfolding war, in my humble opinion of course. A truly smart goal for Israel to strive for would be to become “the Switzerland of Middle East”, while all the hell breaks loose around it.
Being neutral requires a rare combination of outward restraint and fierce, feared clandestine operations force. Hitler didn’t attack Switzerland not because he was fearful of its military strength, he shelved this attack plan because the Swiss learned right away about it, and made it a point to demonstrate to Hitler how easy for them would be to assassinate him, if they ever so slightly wanted it.
Is Israel moving in this direction? Or still copying too much what larger powers do – bombing raids and such? Israel has a lot of what Switzerland had, but the nationalities de-facto comprising it are still not at peace. Switzerland found a way for Italians, Germans, French, and indigenous people to live in peace. Will Israel?
In this regard, would Israel ever consider switching from American way of dealing with indigenous people to the Swiss way? From the split between core zionist state and peripheral reservations to autonomous yet equally empowered cantons?
That is not the reason Germany never invaded Switzerland mate.
You dont sh!t where you eat. Swiss were their financiers. Germany already got everything it needed from Switzerland. Invading would’ve been disingenuous .
No disrespect to the low caliber juvenile insulting comments, this website is a joke or a very poor disinformation attempt.
If Moosead made up that ten million Russians got killed instead of making up that a couple hundred died, would it erase Syria’s SHOOTDOWN of ApartheidIsrael’s little airplane (paid for with WELFARE CHECKS)?
Nope.
Pathetic little settler colony can’t even defend their beloved alCIAda cannibals….
Whatever alKGBda is paying you, they’re not getting their monies worth.
I can get a pussy cat walking back and forth on a keyboard and have something more intelligent that what you are vomiting out.
Happy Nakba!
Well, here you go: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/18/middleeast/us-airstrike-killed-dozens-of-russians-in-syria-intl/index.html
i noticed only during that clash that russian air force fled the battefield despite the fact that the engagement lasted three hours. f
fearing a big beating from us air force , russian air force which did not hesitate to retaliate massively less than a week ago after the dowing of their SU 25 had chosen at this time had chosen not to confront US air force!!!!
Glad to see US flex on all the Durka Durkas and Commies, maybe next time they will think twice. Play with fire you get burned. Good luck Commies, you will need it.
are aware of that? russian SU 57 had fled syrian sky despite they had just arrived very soon they returned home because russia realised that they were spotted. so they were easy target for us et and israelis