Chemical warfare hard to pin down by facts – in Douma as in Salisbury

People are dying, but the provenance of the chemical tools of war has become more a matter of politics than of fact.

The exact scope and nature of the disaster overtaking the conflicted Douma war zone of East Ghouta outside Damascus are becoming more elusive as allegations fly back and forth. Jaysh al-Islam, the rebel group holding Douma, was first to accuse the Syrian army on Saturday, April 7, of attacking the people of Douma with poison gas, causing 500 casualties. By Sunday, the death figures reported varied between 150 and 500.
The US State Department cited at least 43 deaths. First responders reported whole families suffocated in their homes and shelters with foam on their mouths. Then, President Donald Trump, called out Putin and Iran for backing “Animal Assad,” whose air force helicopter was accused by rebel forces of dropping a barrel bomb full of sarin on the civilians of Douma.

Both Damascus and Moscow deny the allegation, accusing Syrian rebels of fabrications. Russia issued a statement on Sunday warning that foreign military intervention under “far-fetched, fabricated pretexts” in areas in Syria where Russian servicemen are deployed “might lead to very severe consequences.”

Despite the heated rhetoric, DEBKAfile’s Middle East sources don’t see any immediate change in the current situation. Russia is not about to change its policy in Syria and the Americans don’t appear ready for any further action, certainly not a repeat of the 2017 missile strikes on a Syrian air base in response to a Syrian chemical attack.  Some sources in Washington suspect that certain Syrian opposition groups are turning up the heat in the hope of prompting a US military surge in Syria, in reversal of President Trump’s announced intention of bringing US troops home.
Whether chemical weapons were indeed used against Douma civilians may never be definitely proven one way or the other – and even then, it may not be possible to nail the party responsible. The same opacity covers the poisoning of former Russian agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia, who was on a visit from Moscow when they were struck down by a nerve agent in Salisbury, UK on March 4. Both are recovering in a local hospital. The British accuses Russian President Vladimir Putin and his spy services of the attempted assassination, while Moscow fingers British intelligence for culpability. The Russians summoned the watchdog Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons for an investigation into the source of the gas agent and demanded a role in the probe. London has refused Moscow access to its investigation.

The OPCW’s record for getting to the bottom of chemical warfare allegations is sketchy. The organization was granted full authority for a full-scale probe only once, in the years 2014-2015, when the US and Russia agreed to wind down Syrian chemical stocks. The Assad government claimed to have destroyed those stocks, but later turned out to have pulled the wool over the eyes of the OPCW monitors. Since then, poison chemicals are increasingly prevalent in the Syrian war and the public, while far from accepting this war crime, is not as horrified as it once was.  Indeed, disinformation about the use of illegal chemicals in war has evolved into a handy tool of propaganda in international contests.

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35 thoughts on “Chemical warfare hard to pin down by facts – in Douma as in Salisbury

  • Apr 8, 2018 @ 19:37 at 19:37
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    all we hear is condemnation but the un /u.s/uk and god knows who

    fukcing bomb assad,iran and russia and rid us all from this metastasizing cancer

    • Apr 8, 2018 @ 22:33 at 22:33
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      Skripal visiting Salisbury from Moscow?
      Please Debka writer –PLEASE__do not become part of the propaganda machinery.
      Skripal lives in the UK.
      Skripal was poisoned by the Russians.
      It is likely Assad is using chlorine gas.
      Let’s stick to the truth.
      Lets not obfuscate.
      Truthful journalism will win.
      Lies and obfuscation always–in the end–will lose.

      • Apr 10, 2018 @ 20:27 at 20:27
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        Shmuck!! Skipal’s Daughter was visiting from Russia …

      • Apr 21, 2018 @ 20:31 at 20:31
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        hahahaha…….”Skripal was poisoned by the Russians.” in your wet dreams……..”It is likely Assad is using chlorine gas” ….likely is it ?

    • Apr 8, 2018 @ 22:45 at 22:45
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      Cui bono?

  • Apr 8, 2018 @ 19:47 at 19:47
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    Any Word From The UN?
    Oh, Sorry, They’re Busy Condemning Israel For Defending Itself Against Hamas Terrorists.

    • Apr 10, 2018 @ 19:07 at 19:07
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      Read above and use the brain, if one still there

  • Apr 8, 2018 @ 19:48 at 19:48
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    Reels building WMD device that went out of control?

    • Apr 8, 2018 @ 19:49 at 19:49
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      Typo, Rebels, keyboard battery failng

  • Apr 8, 2018 @ 20:02 at 20:02
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    The world is fixated on Syria and whoever was responsible for atrocity. Putin warning Trump to not overplay his hand. It’s riveting theater because really who is responsible.
    Probably the deep state just before the indictments and the pedophiles hang at Gitmo
    for treason against The USA. Now it’s time for the stealth IAF F35s to backdoor that arrogant freezer Rouhani. A perfect end around. Game over.

    • Apr 9, 2018 @ 1:54 at 1:54
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      Surely, then, it is also time for Hamas/Iran/Hizb’allah to toast all of your bagels at the same time?

  • Apr 8, 2018 @ 20:17 at 20:17
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    Saban could produce a new reality show. Saturday night at the gallows.
    The world could watch as these satan loving spirit cooking moloch baby
    eating pieces of bovine scatology enter into eternal hell and damnation.
    Please Hashem

  • Apr 8, 2018 @ 20:21 at 20:21
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    This is such an obvious false flag attack by the Anglo Zionist thugs and their Saudi butt kissers – Jaysh al-Islam, who are surrounded in Douma. Anybody with half a brain would know by now of these dirty tricks.

    What’s more pathetic is how the Anglo Western world laps up this crap without question, and does not criticize Jaysh al-Islam at all. This is de facto evidence of intellectual negligence if not outright collusion. They are obsessed with chemical weapons. One does not need to look too far at their barking on about those non-existent Iraqi WMDs that were never found. Look to the other false flag in Syria in Khan Shaykoun, done by Turkish terrorists and most likely CIA/MI6 and Mossad help. Salisbury in the UK, where the Anglo lunatics blamed Russia then couldn’t prove any Russian connections. And now this.

    If this is how the “leaders of the free world” behave, its quite pathetic. The American empire is going down. Its already morally, spiritually, culturally and intellectually bankrupt. The only thing left is financial bankruptcy.

    Batting on the same team as Islamic terrorists in Syria (Israel as well) and claiming to be “fighting terrorism” has got to be one of the biggest lies of the century.

    • Apr 8, 2018 @ 23:41 at 23:41
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      It is a criminal enterprise led by the West, they want oil and control by all means, those terror cells serve geopolitical interests and Trump has fallen prey to neocons, now a total puppet, not sure he know what to do on anything anymore, sad!

    • Apr 9, 2018 @ 5:51 at 5:51
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      It’s time to start dropping the MOABs. Bolton the rabid dog has been waiting for this his whole life.

  • Apr 8, 2018 @ 20:43 at 20:43
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    I am not surprised.Everything works after a program.

  • Apr 8, 2018 @ 21:52 at 21:52
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    Who f… cares ?? UN? USA? Europe? Russia? Assad….
    What a wonderful world…..

  • Apr 8, 2018 @ 22:00 at 22:00
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    Let’s be realistic, Iran/Hesbollah are the problem, not Syria.
    Kill the dog and the rabies is over.

    • Apr 8, 2018 @ 23:27 at 23:27
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      Iran is NOT a problem. Its only a problem to silly Zionists who are projecting their dick fear and paranoias onto the Goyim world. Israeli media, like the dumb American media, are obsessed with Iranophobia. If you’re smart you would notice the same crap in a different flavour – Russophobia, being peddled.

      All this because Iran and Russia are truly sovereign countries that do not enjoy being servile boot licking vassals of the American empire. That’s all there is to it folks. Its noting but dick fear being projected by monopoly men.

      Iranians and Russians are not dumb. But they won’t be bossed around, hence why Anglo Zionist delusions of grandeur are going berserk.

      You people have fallen for Iranophobia like dumb sheep. For “gods chosen” bunch, I would expect a little more critical thinking. Hezbollah was created after Israel invaded Lebanon and supported Phalange militias against Lebanese Shia. What did you expect?

      Bad losers can’t accept defeat in Syria, so they have to stoop down to the level of primary school kids.

      • Apr 9, 2018 @ 1:47 at 1:47
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        DiCK PRoJeCTioN/ZioNiST PeNiS PRiDe:

        is emblematic of how Zionism rewrites Jewish bodies.

        For example in the zionist film Europa europa, the circumcised penis functions as the only signifying mark of the Jew and although the film begins with an anti-jewish attack in which a jewish female is killed the camera focuses only on a boys nude body as he jumps out of the bathroom window covering his penis with his hands and in the climactic moment of the film two reunited jews whip out their penises and urinate.

        This Zionist Penis Pride first manifests itself in Zionism’s “father” Theodor Herzl. When in Law School, Herzl contracted a venereal disease. Through a letter written to a close male friend, Heinrich Kana, Herzl tells his friend that he has put the syringe aside, and that his next attack of “xxx” will be cured by zinc sulphate. He proceeds to inform Kana how he had commissioned a linen penis sheath from a high class ladies’ fancy goods shop. ‘Unfortunately’, he writes the said sheath is a little too tight for my penis____I can only get him in when he is being quite quiet, like a peaceful trouser-burgher. But that is extremely seldom, for bold German Austrian as he is… he rebels against my sheath regulation. So I got them to make a second underpants pocket for me… however, this second apparatus also has its defects. It is true that I can get the [young] candidate for knighthood into the linen shaft, but either he feels himself confined or he is now slipping out-you see what erection dilemma fills my mind-Should I perhaps strip him of the whole hair shirt? -All right, but you must not forget, much dripping liquid flows down. What would the washerwoman think?! Perhaps she would despise me. Should I risk it?

        Herzl’s exhibitionist penis-pride, Peter Lowenberg notes, is manifested through his recounting to his friend “the size of his organ, its erective power, [and] the wide experience of his ‘young knight1 in the pursuit of women” In identifying his penis as a German-Austrian, Herzl is asserting the masculine characteristics of such a nationality… Oy Vey!

        Discuss….

        • Apr 9, 2018 @ 2:24 at 2:24
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          Perverted psychopath and antisemite, Ivan the Insane, strikes again.

          • Apr 9, 2018 @ 6:02 at 6:02
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            As a young man, Herzl was engaged in a Burschenschaft association, which strove for German unity under the motto Ehre, Freiheit, Vaterland (“Honor, Freedom, Fatherland”). In the years following 1878 as a law student Herzl became a member of the German nationalist student fraternity, Albia.
            Herzl’s vision included not only a Jewish state as a political solution to
            anti-Semitism but one inhabited by a new kind of Jew whose life would be
            governed by a code of behavior patterned on the ethos of honor, courage,
            and nobility of the European aristocracy, yet who would be living in an
            environment reflecting all of the late-nineteenth-century bourgeois faith in
            the illimitable potential and beauty of technology. Herzl completely rejected
            both the isolation of the ghetto and the wish for assimilation, not merely as
            insecure domiciles but primarily in terms of character type. He fantasied a
            new Jewish personality: direct, stalwart, unafraid of its own aggression,
            because the new Jews in their own land would live in harmony with their
            Arab neighbors and at peace with all other peoples. This is the ultimate
            irony of Herzl’s saga.

            After Sabina Spieirein, Jungs patient and mistress, having abandoned
            her dream of bearing a Jewish “Siegfried” to Jung, had informed him
            that she was pregnant by her Jewish husband, Freud wrote her:

            Freud wrote: “I am, you know, cured of the last shred of my predilection for the Aryan cause, and would like to take it thatif the child turned out to be a boy he will develop into a stalwart Zionist. He or she must be dark in any case, no more towheads. Let us banish all these will-o’-the-wisps”

            For Freud (at the time that he wrote this letter), the reason that Zionism is
            coded male is that it is essentially about masculinity The Spieirein letter was explicitly written in reaction to Freud’s break with Jung and his acrimonious feelings toward Jung. Jung had unambiguously ventilated the European topos of Jewish male “effeminacy.”

            Zionism had for Freud at this point in his life precisely the same function that Oedipality had for him at others. Masculinizing of the feminized jewish male.

            As in the case of his relations with Fliess, in his letter to Spieirein, also, disavowed homoeroticism and Zionism are correlated.

            Freud was quite frank about his homoerotic feelings toward Jung, having written Jones that a faint in Jung’s presence had to do with “some unruly homosexual feeling.” and interpreting this faint in terms of the “negative Oedipus complex” Attacking the Aryan genome consists, then, of overcoming the unruly desire for the Aryan Jung.

        • Apr 9, 2018 @ 2:49 at 2:49
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          I found this comment to be HoT!

  • Apr 8, 2018 @ 23:12 at 23:12
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    Unusually vague and disappointingly despairing for a Debka article.
    Almost post modernist in its uncertainties!

  • Apr 9, 2018 @ 2:33 at 2:33
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    Who believes Assad is fool enough to use chemical weapons against few jihadis who will be on their knees soon?

  • Apr 9, 2018 @ 3:43 at 3:43
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    as a american who voted for trump i can say this is such a plant / false flag they eliets really must want ww3 i hope russia has a lot of sam in syria there going to need them

    • Apr 9, 2018 @ 5:53 at 5:53
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      Trump talks a big talk but does nearly nothing.

      • Apr 9, 2018 @ 7:12 at 7:12
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        Enlist and go fight jews wars! You should register as a foreign agent or traitor. What the hell is the USA doing there at all??

        Look, this is it: You jews finally got your peace of land. Couldn’t manage to make peace with your neighbours? Fail. Get out and go home (where the fuck is that)!

  • Apr 9, 2018 @ 3:57 at 3:57
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    I believe It is childish game, last time when trump said , Asad dose not remove from power, then next week was chemical attack, this time when trump said USA troop will leave Syria soon , then a week later another chemical attack, I don’t think so Asad army or Russia will be that crazy to do on sensitive time,
    but I am sorry for emotional people to just accept all propaganda, like Iraq war, As you guy know Syria was always friend with Russia, but now some of American I take Syria too , that is the main reason try play game,
    they did it the same game in Ukraine too. Asad was not dictator like Libya , well who blind and emotional please use your logic,

  • Apr 9, 2018 @ 6:38 at 6:38
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    Really lame analysis. Why are you giving the Russians a free pass? Do you really think that by kissing Putin’s ass your going to have leverage with that thug? Pathetic.

    • Apr 9, 2018 @ 7:16 at 7:16
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      You 100 percent correct. Just don’t came back later asking for help when the shit hits the fan, like you are doing in the UN. Pathetic.

  • Apr 9, 2018 @ 10:21 at 10:21
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    Supposedly The Obama administration brokered an agreement where Russia would remove all Syrian chemical. It’s encouraging to know, when Obama celebrated the completion, that Syria had no more chemical weappns

  • Apr 9, 2018 @ 11:38 at 11:38
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    Depressing reading..

    • Apr 9, 2018 @ 22:08 at 22:08
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      frank: Yes, it’s strange why we are informed about all this, not the presidents – we can not stop anything, we are nobody.

  • Apr 9, 2018 @ 23:44 at 23:44
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    I trust Israel’s Mossad, if Israel struck a Syrian base, they have already learned the what and who. So its not a mystery any more.

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