Iron Dome versus laser system missile interceptors? Israeli strategists are split
The IDF does not have enough Iron Dome anti-missile batteries to cover both the Gaza and northern fronts. The system would be further stretched if central Israel came under attack.
In two barrages on June 20 and June 27, Hamas launched up to 100 missile mortar shells from the Gaza Strip against Israel towns and villages. Timely alerts sent civilians to shelters in time to avoid casualties. But it had had become obvious that the south was short of Iron Dome batteries to ward off heavy rocket salvoes, because the bulk were deployed along Israel’s northern border where war tensions are rising. This deficiency would become critical if central Israel came under missile attack. This eventuality comes closer as Hizballah and Iraqi Shiite militias, under Iranian Revolutionary Guards command, become a strong component of the Russian-backed Syrian assault advancing in the Daraa province.
Israel’s generals and other strategists are painfully aware of the inadequacy of protection for North and for the national strategic facilities across the country from the new precision missiles, especially those in the Hizballah arsenal. Such missiles could be launched from Syria, Lebanon or the Gaza Strip.
To address this rising threat, the Israel security cabinet is meeting urgently on Sunday night, July 1, to draw up plans for preparing the northern home front for an outbreak of hostilities. The meeting was later postponed. The ministers will need quite soon to resolve a hot debate taking place in recent weeks among Israel’s military leaders over whether to supplement Israel’s Iron Dome missile interception system with new US laser beam weapons. Israeli projects for developing these systems, partly in conjunction with US partners, were shut down in 2007, when it was decided to focus on the home-made Iron Dome. Then, too, some circles argued that the high cost of deploying the Israeli Iron Dome did not justify the large investment in its development. But after the last Gaza operation in 2014, Iron Dome was held as a national icon and no one talked about its high cost.
However, now the threat has exacerbated. Potentially ranged against Israel are at least 12,000 different kinds of advanced missiles, which pack are far deadlier and more precise punch than the Hamas projectiles of four years ago. And so the argument has revived. It is calculated that it will take at least three to four Iron Domes to intercept one these advanced enemy missiles, a prohibitive outlay that would come on top of the high expense of conducting a full-scale war. This is beyond Israel’s means. The arithmetic is simple: Downing an estimated number of 12,000 enemy missiles would take more than 30,000 Iron Dome missiles, at the astronomical cost of $5 billion. The preponderant rationale under consideration therefore is for Israel to stop paying for additional Iron Domes and instead buy SkyGuards, an anti-missile laser system developed from the US Nautilus, which is readily available or can be quickly assembled.
Fifteen SkyGuard batteries (at $75 million apiece) would come to around $1.125 billion, representing a saving of $3.75 billion compared to the cost of Iron Domes.
The pro-Iron Dome lobby is putting up a strong fight against introducing the laser interceptor to IDF service. Part of this argument is that replacing the Israel product would be detrimental to sales on world markets. Last week, as part of the Iron Dome campaign, reports of a laser beam’s effectiveness against the incendiary kites and balloons flying across the Gaza-Israeli border were hushed up. But as threats escalate on two fronts, the IDF may not have enough time to train field units in anti-missile laser warfare to meet the next conflagration.
The Jews are talking sales while its becoming increasingly obvious that Iron Dome is obsolete. Bad neighbourhood. It’s time to move. Lol
I heard yo momma stinks like limburger cheese down there, and I’m looking to move the place where I’m drying my boots.
Sorry Jews don’t run and hide brother.
We always win.It goes back to your Torah.
LOOK UP THE NY DAILY NEWS 8 JUNE 1967
LOCATION FRONT PAGE
SINI DESERT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF EGYPTION ARMY BOOTS TAKEN OFF BY THE ARAB ARMY TO RUN FASTER FROM THE ADVANCING IDF
CANT CHANGE HISTORY
ARABS RUN
THE IDF WINS WE WERE 100 KM FROM CAIRO WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE TAKING CANDY FROM A BABY THE UN CRIED FOR ISRAEL TO STOP THE EGYPTIONS BEGGED THE WORLD TO DO SOMETHING
Kicking your ass and other terrorist scum is significant.
Happy Nakba!
Arbeit macht Nakba,
Eurabia is rapidly becoming another “Bad neighbourhood” due to the Islamists flooding into it.
This is true unfortunately.
not really that unfortunate……..the krauts threw us in to the ovens…..now they can be burn
Yes Eilat, I agree!
” Bad neighbourhood. It’s time to move. Lol”
@ “Arbeit macht frei” (one could only imagine what type of individual would actually want to call himself that),
It’s some of Israel’s neighbors and their “invited guests” who are making it a “bad neighborhood”.
How many Hitler Youth like you, Arbeit macht frei, are still alive to actively cleanse the world of non-Aryans?
Israeli establishment and media as usual has a very big mouth, and not too much the fabled jewish brain. It was pretty much obvious that any anti missile defence could be swamped by salvos of missiles. It could be useful only for the protection of the limited amount of the strategically important locations, but not the whole country. US Army considers Iron Dome for the protection of the command and control and logistics centers for the army in the field, not large population areas. In regard to laser systems it should be noted that it’s not a commercially available product, its in advanced stages of the development and testing still, and US army makes assessment different solutions including land based modification of the Navy Phalanx system. On top of this there are laws of Physics. Intensity of the laser irradiation is strongly weakened by various aerosols i.e. vapours of the moisture, dust, photochemical smog. Any anti-missile system could have only supplementary character. The only solution is rapid and crushing response by land, air, and naval forces, without this bull shit about minimising collateral damage? and of course judging israel’s size I can’t understand why it took ZAHAL weeks to concentrate forces in all recent conflicts starting from the Second Lebanon War, and even at that after the fact we get to know about failure of the logistics one nature or another.
Very well said! In a tight situation, the good old plain interdict and destroy by firepower pays back a lot more than a laser tattoo on their rockets in a cloudy day. Not to mention a black smoky tires burning day.
Gaza is small, a lesser danger. In a war situation, add heavy artillery to interdict launching, and forget about an exaggerated pin point accuracy, only good timing is of essence. In a war situation.
Always keep an eye on your cheese Mickey!
Bad news for Palestine’s occupiers!
Sure looks like the squatting bootlickers need more than $10million/day in welfare checks from Uncle Sam to keep their little ethnic cleansing project afloat.
Birthright Ukraine sounding good…
THE IDF FIREPOWER AND LIGHTNING ADVANCE ON SOUTH LEBANON ALONG WITH SYRIA WILL GIVE ISRAEL ANOTHER ANNEXATION AFTER THE UN BEGS THE JEWS TO HALT THERE PUNISHMENT . THE GAZA IS A CAKE WALK TO BE EVACUATED OF ALL ARABS
REALIZE THE NEXT WAR WILL BE A REAL WAR SETTING FOR THE MIGHTY IDF NOT A SHIT OPERATION AS YOU HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST 40 YEARS .THE WORLD WAS IN AWE SEEING JEWS DESTROY ARMYS 7 TIMES THERE SIZE
The next war? Prophesied by Ezekiel 2600 years ago and come in the next five to ten years. Ezekiel 38 & 39. Gog is Putin and Magog, Meshech and Tubal are Russia. Iran and Libya are in the mix and Turkey is probably Gomer. The IDF will need Iron Dome and lasers and I agree with another correspondent that ground troops will also need to capture territory in Lebanon and Syria.
The only place Pal-e-SWINE wins, is in cartoons, badly acted Jihad Operas with Arabs/Muslims playing Orthodox Jews.
350 Million Arabs/Muslims have yet to win 1 inch of territory from tiny Israel.
The only thing Arabs/Muslims can do is kill 500,000 Arabs/Muslims in Syria.
Happy Nakba!
“Bad news for Palestine’s occupiers!”
@ “Guess who’s gonna lose the Golan?”,
So just where is this so-called “Palestine” ?
In reality, maybe———–Jordan ?
Israel will most likely be destroyed by lack of balls than lack of technological solutions.
Iron Dome was known not to be able to do the job from the start. The math is simple enough.
2018 Israelis are more likely to want to hold the hand of the cannibals who want to kill them than to fight them.
You are falling for the “I won’t fight you no matter what you do to me” syndrome.
The current situation is so clear that only deluded fools are still wondering about it.
A Neanderthal warrior could see the solution to Israel’s problem in two seconds.
The solution is (a) find them and (b) kill them.
The (a) is simple enough. You can see them without even binoculars.
The (b) is within your power.
But the Neanderthal had balls.
You seem to have misplaced yours.
I wonder what Moshe Dayan would have to say of the Israel of 2018 and its prospects.
Moshe Dayan was a “bleeding heart” liberal. it was his idea that we should be kind to the Arabs in 1967. He was so bloated by success of the war that he thought he could be generous towards them. He should have sent them out of East Jerusalem. That would have been one less headache for us to negotiate.
ITS ALL YOUNG THEY FORGET THE DISTANT PAST. BELGEM FRANCE HOLLAND WHO SAVED THERE ASS . THE AMERICAN YOUTH CONFUSE THE CIVIL WAR WITH THE REVOLUTION
AS ISRAELI YOUTH WILL SEE THE THREAT AND WILL DO AS THERE PARENTS DID FIGHT LIKE HELL HAS FIRE AND WIN. AGAIN
“But the Neanderthal had balls.
You seem to have misplaced yours.
I wonder what Moshe Dayan would have to say of the Israel of 2018 and its prospects.”
@ Jorge_Banner,
Iran, a country much larger than Israel with considerably more resources, has recently lost some high ranking military personnel and a portion of their military hardware in Syria as a direct result of Israeli military strikes- – – – – – -as previously warned by the Israelis. Does that show a “lack of balls” on Israel’s part ????
The arms race must be relaunched.
keep iron dome. for gaza
and. for centre and north lasers
now
make it happen
simple
I am sure that the IDF has many military plans for handling this situation. The best defense is a good offense. The Torah teaches us that if our enemies are at the border then it is obvious that at some point they are going to attack. Yes there is a need for more weapons like the Iron Dome and others. It becomes too expensive to fire these on a constant basis. The situation in Syria has been out of control for many years and it will only get worse before it gets better. Eventually Israel will take control of the area up to Damascus. The “palestinians” will be relocated to other wealthy countries in the Middle East. The Third Temple will be built next to the Dome of the Rock in the northern section of the Temple Mount. King Hussein in Jordan will come for a visit to Israel and be happy about it. The other Arab nations will also be happy after the Iranian “leaders” are replaced with peaceful new representatives of a democratic Iran. You can learn more at http://www.TheMitzvahProject.org. Shalom
@ Jay Silverman,
Talk about being just a little bit naive, but reality dictates otherwise.
(1) “Eventually Israel will take control of the area up to Damascus”.
Don’t you think that the Russians will have something to say about that?
(2) ” The “palestinians” will be relocated to other wealthy countries in the Middle East.”
The other Arab countries in the Middle East (wealthy or not) have already made it clear that they don’t want the so-called “Palestinians” in their own countries (they get the latest news about Gaza too).
(3) “The Third Temple will be built next to the Dome of the Rock in the northern section of the Temple Mount.”
Remember what happened when Israel erected security barriers at the entrances to the Temple mount? Besides, there are some significant events that first need to happen before the Temple can be rebuilt.
(4) “King Hussein in Jordan will come for a visit to Israel and be happy about it. The other Arab nations will also be happy after the Iranian “leaders” are replaced with peaceful new representatives of a democratic Iran.”
Reality is such, based on their previous behavior and recent voting actions at the UN General Assembly, that if the current Iranian regime falls and is replaced with a government which no longer proves to be a threat to the region in general, members of the Arab League will once again turn against Israel (since it’s unacceptable to even have a country there which is not dominated exclusively by Arabs) once they find that they no longer need the Israelis to do the dirty work for them against Iran.
Such is the reality of the Middle East which being naive doesn’t resolve.
I agree with you about the Third Temple being built on the Temple Mount. However, before it goes up the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa Mosque will come down – probably during the coming war between Israel and Magog and its allies. Adonai will make sure of that and will use earthquakes and possibly munitions to get the job done.
It is quite simple: Israel needs American financial support to survive these very difficult times.
It is quite simple: The World needs President Donald Trump to survive these very difficult times.
WAR IS NOT SIMPLE but this new age collateral civilian damage shit that came up since ww2 is not going to work it was proven in nam .at some point in the next major war Israel will resort to the old ways i can see a george patton style ground war towns in lebanon and gaza will be raised to the ground syria included more complex with russian troops stationed there .putin will pull them out as trump will do americans the IDF CAN HANDLE THIS WITH JORDAN AND I WILL BET SAUDI AS LONG AS RE SUPPLY OF FUEL AND AMMO COMES IN FAST MODE. IRAN WILL NOT DARE CONFRONT ISRAEL WITH MISSILES OR THEY FACE TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF TYRAN BY THE IDF
Lasers are good for the incendiary balloons and kites but not for missiles.
Never allow your enemy to acquire what is needed for your destruction. Your current worse fears are small compared to the reality of your enemy attaining weapons of annihilation.
Offense is more important than defense, Take out your enemy’s weapons now.
Israel needs sharks with freaking lasers
Trump’s final solution to the Palestian problem: Expulsion to an island to be built in the sea 25 km from Gaza where it can’t be seen. To make it feel like home, it will be surrounded by a high wall and there will be a huge scuplture of Al Aqsa in the middle. They will be given mortars and rockets that fly only 10 km so that they can’t damage anything but it will feel good anyway. Entertainment will be arranged every Friday where they can fly fiery kites and scream “Death to America, Death to Israel” until they are hoarse. For the homey feel they will have electricity only from 23:00 till 03:00 daily. Garbage and faeces will be dumped in the sea around them so that they get the sentimental smell of home, sweet home. They will have suburbs named Jenin, Ramallah etc and their area where their headquarters is situated will be called Quds, the Eternal Capital. So, finally they will have everything they ever wanted except no Sea Port. That will be conditional upon Cyprus and the Cypriots are not keen at this stage of taking on any problems. Abbas and Erekat will henceforth be called Dhanbad and Shmerekat. Additionally anyone wanting 72 blond virgins will be given a suicide belt and a mock Jewish restaurant where they can blow themselves up. This martyrdom will be encouraged starting with children age 3. The expectation is that within 5 years they will all have blown themselves up to pieces. The island will then be turned into a recreation park for Israeli soldiers on vacation. All the Arab states and Israel agree on this. Abbas would be a fool to give up this wonderful opportunity because the alternative is too ghastly to contemplate: continued victimhood and “occupation.’
the sini desert will due next to the sea something 3 times larger then the strip
after all they are egyptions that moved to gaza
“Moshe Dayan was a “bleeding heart” liberal.”
OK. My mistake. Man, you seem to have a lot of those. You do need a cure for that.
Doesn’t matter. The point is Israel gives the impression of just sitting there tugging at its d!ck and looking like a complete retard while some pisslims burn your fields and others are setting up camp within site of your borders. Pretty soon they’ll be able to spit on you.
Maybe you have a plan. Maybe you can take them.
I just wonder, a few mongrel kites seem quite a challenge for you.
This reminds me of before 48 when any pisslim dog got up in the morning, went to the door of his tent and took a shot at the Jews nearby trying to make the dessert produce food.
What about a few thousand well aimed missiles in the north? What are you going to do? Say that you are looking for a technical solution?
Do you know why the pisslims are touching your butt? Because they don’t fear you.
Whose fault is that?
Pisslims should be shitting themselves at the sound of “Jew”
You had 70 years to teach them. Waiting for something?
just nuke them …. why waste all this money….. you need two or three nukes or something that carry the same punch without the radiation … problem solved
fallout would engulf israel if used in syria and gaza the IDF can take both without it
I bet alot of people WISH HITLER had NUKES
“I bet alot of people WISH HITLER had NUKES”
@SS,
Nazi Germany tried but wasn’t able to get it done due to their losing the war.
Hitler predicted that his regime would last for 1000 years, but it only survived for 12 years so what would you expect from a regime whose prediction was off by 988 years!
Perhaps it is time to stop bombing empty buildings and do some real damage, like exterminating the leading “jookeem” and their homes.
The sad truth is that the headline of this article is only partially correct. It should probably read “Iron Dome versus laser system missile interceptors? Israeli lobbyists are split”. Considering the amount of $carole (shekels/dollars/ducats, take your pick) involved, I’m sure the swine are circling the trough with slavering jaw…
Israel is not split, just discussing which Defense if not both will be better to Defend the Nation. I suggest a Third Defense will be the Multiple Offensive Weapons that will rain down upon any enemy. No matter what Israel can absorb such attacks even with the pain of lives lost and great damage, but will survive and rebuild!
However, the Best Ultimate Defense is Relentless Offense against all Enemies Elimination. The world will not be sad to see Hamas, Hezbollah, Hounti, Al Qaeda and Iran go away or be changed. In fact, the PA will welcome it and chances for Future Peace will be enhanced.
Why would Israelis have to endure “pain of lives lost and great damage”?
Why don’t just make the stinking pisslims dogs suffer?
You guys are weird.
Do you have a death wish?
Have 2000 years of persecutions infused you with some kind of masochism?
Why is it normal for Jews to suffer?
What’s wrong with you?
Cut it the F out, already!!
Strap your balls on and start killing pisslim maggots.
You know WTF is it with you? You education system and most of your culture are in the hands of the traitorous leftist 5th column of self-hating Jews who want to see Israel destroyed to satisfy their perverted putrid sense of social justice.
You do make it difficult. You just love it, don’t you?
You just can’t help yourselves. It’s just some kind of manic psycho trait.
another hastily-written piece in search of an editor.
it has always been impractical to rely on iron dome, especially against 150,000 hezbollah rockets. and it really doesn’t matter how accurate they are – it still takes 2 interceptors per target, and storing 100,000 interceptors (1/3 of rockets are aimed properly and successfully fired, x2) is very expensive.
against kites and drones, the economics are even worse. directed energy weapons are more appropriate.
Waves of their crude missiles must be matched by waves of bombers over all lebanon and gaza to such an extent that the waze data of these areas will have to be rewritten ……………….
Army should change defend psychology by offensive. The enemy sources of fire must be hit by huge intensity including napalm and vacuum bombs.
ISREAL SHOULD ADD TO ITS DEFENCE THE AMERICAN PHALANX SYSTEM IT WAS EFFECTIVE IN IRAQ UNTIL NOW WHICH IT PROTECT THE GREEN AREA OF MINISTERIES
THE US SYSTEM PHALANX IS VERY EFFECTIVE . IT PROTECTS BAGDAD IN PARTICULAR MINISTERIES ZONE THE GREEN ZONE AGAINST ROCKET MORTAR ROUNDS!!!! WHY DOES IDF HESITATE TO ADD THIS SYSTEM TO ITS DEFENSE
they will use it my guess is that dozens are being packed for shipment as we talk
This is the frustration with reading Debka. The implication at the end of the article was that one of these laser system has been deployed on a trial basis near the Gaza Strip. The little tease are almost amounts to clickbait or innuendo – make an assertion like that back it up with some other type of reporting or details.
@davefromorange
“Iran, a country much larger than Israel with considerably more resources, has recently lost some high ranking military personnel and a portion of their military hardware in Syria as a direct result of Israeli military strikes- – – – – – -as previously warned by the Israelis. Does that show a “lack of balls” on Israel’s part ????”
1) iran has been allowed to enter syria, strengthen its syria presence and to get practically to Israel’s door. iranian planes still land on syria if I’m not mistaken.
2) Israelis still have to live in shelters.
3) Israel is still burning and the kite dogs enjoy their festivities unimpeded. What other country would allow this atrocity without massacring its attackers? Only Israel . . .
4) Israel’s situation is much worse than a year ago.
5) Israel still doesn’t have a solution for when the pisslim dog’s missiles start flying in the north and your more papist than the pope attitude will prevent you from leveling the missiles nests for fear of collateral damage.
6) The attitude “we can take the damage and survive” is pitiful. Why would you “take the damage”? Unless you think you deserve it . . . ? Why don’t you ask the civilians whose lives are going to be destroyed by “the damage”? How is a pisslim dog different from a german dog? All the “never again” sounds childish unless you do something about it.
7) The IDF as been induced by the traitorous leftist 5th column to adopt a sociologist/lawyer attitude of hand wringing and “restraint” bordering itself on treason and certainly on defeatism. Is this attitude the one you are going to apply in the north? Because if you do, by the time somebody manages to find half a ball to strap on, the damage will have been already done and whatever you concoct will be too little, too late. The problem itself shouldn’t exist and Israel should have done something about it, long ago.
8) Yes, Israel as a country seems to lack the balls to do what it should in order to prevent the current situation and the prospects at hand. Things should have NOT been allowed to get this far. The ghosts of 1973 are stirring and wondering if their traitorous and criminal sacrifice was for nothing.
Excellent comment!!!
@Jorge_Banner,
Regarding Israel’s actions for it’s own defense, remember the old saying:
“It’s not over ’till the fat lady sings”————-so stay tuned!
A total laser defense system has drawbacks. The main one is the weather. If it remains clear and dry it will work fine. If there are lots of thick heavy clouds and rain then not so well.
The Iron Done is and always was solely a defensive weapon. Each and every time it was used it worked. All the while Israelis ran to their shelters and thank God nobody died. Right now the amount of missiles that can be fired into Israel are improved and Israel will take a beating. But that means Israel would need to go on the offensive with no holds barred. It will be a matter of survival for Israel.
Am Yisroel Chai
I will build you 15 high power military grade lasers for way less than 75 million a piece!!! The radar is another story!:)