No headway in Putin-Netanyahu conversation on Iran/Hizballah removal from Golan border

President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu ended their telephone conversation on Tuesday, Nov. 21, at odds on the Iranian and Hizballah presence in the Syrian de-escalation zone near the Israeli border.
DEBKAfile’s sources report that Putin reminded Netanyahu about his deal with President Donald Trump for the creation of a de-escalation zone stretching from the Syria-Jordanian-Israeli border junction at the Golan up to Mt. Hermon. The southernmost section is 20km wide, but the northern one is only 7km from Israel’s northern Golan border. (See attached map.) Putin noted that 1,000 Russian military police officers were already deployed there to monitor security and ascertain that no party violates the ceasefire in this zone.
Netanyahu replied that he was not challenging the de-escalation zone per se, but so long as Iranian and Hizballah forces were present there, Israel could not guarantee not to open fire, if its border security was threatened.

The impression gained by our sources was that Putin was anxious to obtain this Israeli semi-commitment – to refrain from striking Iranian and Hizballah forces against Moscow’s promise of responsibility for holding them back from attacking Israel – to put before the trilateral summit he had convened in Sochi on Wednesday, Nov. 22.  It was to be attended by President Hassan Rouhani of Iran and President Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey and approve steps for moving Syria from a state of war to a political settlement.
Netanyahu continued to stand by Israel’s demand for all Iranian and Hizballah forces to quit the de-escalation zone along the Syrian-Israeli border. Our military sources take the fact that Putin did not meet this demand as indicating that his clout for achieving this in Tehran and Beirut is limited.

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62 thoughts on “No headway in Putin-Netanyahu conversation on Iran/Hizballah removal from Golan border

  • Nov 22, 2017 @ 16:46 at 16:46
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    I understand they like to offer up their nether orifices to their camels…strictly for sodomizing purposes

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  • Nov 22, 2017 @ 17:10 at 17:10
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    Back to more serious issues, remember the Syrians want to get back the Golan heights because of the oil and gas. They need the money to rebuild and line their pockets with graft. There will be no peace in that part of the world—EVER. Their religion does not permit it. I have no idea why the Russians would want to be there, Once the Iranians can secure Syria and Lebanon, they plan to build a pipeline to sell oil to Europe and compete with the Russians. So why are the Russians helping them?

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    • Nov 22, 2017 @ 19:15 at 19:15
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      Couldn’t agree more!
      DEBKAfile wrote an article about Israel finding an huge oil reserve in the Golan.
      There is no question why Syria wants the Golan back!
      But who better in the region than the “expert” Russians to help extract this oil and build these pipelines?
      Which I believe, Russia, already delivers gases threw pipelines to parts of Europe?
      Russians, Syrians, Iranians (possibly) all benefit from this?

      I think Russia sees a spoil perhaps?

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    • Nov 22, 2017 @ 23:17 at 23:17
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      Ever been to Russia in winter? Their port freeze over, nothing get in or out for half the year.
      In Syria they have one of the largest naval bases in all the Mediterranean, they simply weren’t willing to risk a Sunni Syrian leadership emerging which would deny them that port.
      They went to war with Ukraine because an unfriendly government took control and threatened to do exactly that to their base in the Crimea.
      Putin wasn’t going to let that happen there, nor was he going to let that happen in Syria.
      I suspect he cares little for the harm he’s doing along the way, or the fire he’s helped throw on the Sunni Shitte divide. He’s got his port secured and even managed to sell a few more crappy planes and tanks in the process.
      All the fallout besides is irrelevant to a man that thinks of the world in Zero Sum Game terms.
      He’s winning, which means we’re losing.

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    • Nov 23, 2017 @ 17:32 at 17:32
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      Russia and Iranians are buddies and will protect each other as far as business goes and as long g as the pipeline does not hurt Russia.

      Do keep dreaming to try to destroy Russia.
      With the Advent of Russia ,Iran, Turkey and possibly China, israel / US influence in ME is history and to think Russia will favour Israel over Iran, get your heads examined

      Russia has no say anyway whether aIran stays in Syria as long as Assad says ok

      Live with the new world order.

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    • Nov 23, 2017 @ 19:44 at 19:44
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      We are living in the last days. Jesus is returning very soon. God will take care of Israel. Ezekiel chapters
      38 & 39 speak of Russia and the Islamic countries will come down in the mountains of Israel. God will
      protect Israel and desecrate all those Russians and Muslims who are trying to destroy the Jews. Then they’ll
      know who the Lord is.

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    • Nov 26, 2017 @ 18:12 at 18:12
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      you’ve answered your own question – all of putin’s wars are about controlling energy, whether in georgia, crimea, or syria. and his cooperation with iran.

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  • Nov 22, 2017 @ 18:48 at 18:48
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    Only Sam Popack the true Meshiach with his divine powers can help the region.

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  • Nov 22, 2017 @ 18:57 at 18:57
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    Is john mcstain still alive? is hilary mugabe still alive?

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  • Nov 22, 2017 @ 19:40 at 19:40
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    Battle hardened Syrian, Iranian and Hizbollah troops should really give you pause. Evolution is in play everywhere, and those that survive modern warfare, are not the same as those that do not.

    Your lovely Israeli boys will fight with all their might, but expect many deaths. As well if you go north I expect they will stop toying with your fighters. The SA5/S200 missiles you have faced so far are from the 60s of last century.

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    • Nov 22, 2017 @ 23:21 at 23:21
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      Battle hardened against who precisely? illiterate light infantry with no AA and limited intel.
      Lucky for your battle hardened troops, their leadership is slightly better educated than you and wouldn’t dream of going up against a western force. Not that they care overly much for the lives of their ‘battle hardened troops’, just, you cant see to be losing to jews when you’re a muslim.
      Israel is safe enough.

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      • Nov 23, 2017 @ 4:56 at 4:56
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        Agree – “Popgun” writes off Israel as have so many before and had egg all over their face.. Israelis aren’t just fighting for a piece of land its their home, its the ONLY place they have. Having been to Israel many times I can attest to how small this place is even with the Golan. So, it is fair to say that given the disadvantages that Israel has in so many ways – people who expect there not to be an absolutely massive war on multiple fronts – including Tehran and Damascus and Lebanon – and allow themselves to think that their ‘friends’ will be claiming the land for islam – totally delusional. The Samson option will be deployed. No winners ever in this scenario.

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      • Nov 23, 2017 @ 17:35 at 17:35
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        Good luck office workers soldier vs battle hardened hez and friends….

        Are you to tell me Israeli soldiers drawn from ‘professors’ type can take on Hez or even Syrian soldiers?
        Come on give us all a break

        You for one, dare? I dare not

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        • Nov 26, 2017 @ 18:15 at 18:15
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          that’s what the arabs said in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982…

          do you see a pattern emerging or are you totally stupid?

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  • Nov 22, 2017 @ 19:55 at 19:55
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    Israel should give Iran & its proxy an ultimatum to leave Syrian’s border. If they comply that’s good if not then hit them hard including southern Lebanon.

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    • Nov 23, 2017 @ 17:36 at 17:36
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      Hahaha. They are waiting

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  • Nov 22, 2017 @ 19:58 at 19:58
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    Netanyahu should discussing how to retreat to pre 1967 border safely as per UN Res 242, and Israel must remember that they have no legality in Golan per UN Res 497. It is clear as sky, the one should be removed from Golan is Israel.

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    • Nov 22, 2017 @ 22:53 at 22:53
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      Your comment demonstrates your distressing ignorance of the absolute facts.
      There is Archeological indisputable scientific proof that Jews lived on the Golan, with Jewish synagogues evident at Katzrin, and elsewhere – long before Islam existed.
      Next you’ll falsely allege that Jerusalem was not built by King David and Solomon.
      But the trusth is Jerusalem was built 1,700 years BEFORE Islam.
      The arabs have more land than the USA and do not need Israel, part of which is the Golan.
      You are just falsely promoting hate, lies and conflict, despite the truth.
      I’ll bet you’re a Holocaust denier also, like the Ayatollahs.
      Rather than remain in the dark, I suggest and dare you to visit Israel and see for yourself. See the truth with your own eyes.

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      • Nov 23, 2017 @ 0:55 at 0:55
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        Baseless claim, bombastic but nothing at all, please submit your argument to UN then if you’re so sure, FYI, UN Res 497 was adopted unanimously. Even US/UK didn’t abstain. I’m not holocoust denier, just curious with holocoust , hope my curiosity don’t bring me to jail like someone in German. Btw could you please answer, is it real that the victims is 6 mils Jew?, it could be more i think, but i cant prove that, just claim it.

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        • Nov 23, 2017 @ 13:13 at 13:13
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          The UN has a proven record of bias and hate against Israel and has shown an obsessive concentration on eradicating Israel and replacing it with radical and violent Islamic regimes and terrorists. Anyone who thinks that Israel will abide by resolutions/agreements which will be broken the next day by terror regimes should check into the nearest mental institution.

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        • Nov 23, 2017 @ 14:36 at 14:36
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          worldcitizen worthless Muslim slave,;you can write, scream, bribe, screw if allowed by masters, piss, shit, etc. Your days are approaching the reckoning and meeting undone virgins in your heaven.

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      • Nov 23, 2017 @ 4:20 at 4:20
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        Totally agree – “world citizen” has absolutely no idea of the consequences of his/her suggestions. Thinks that the muslims will be happy with that and leave Israel alone. Got to be joking. Totally ignores reality of the other unmentioned and broken “UN resolutions” that forbid Hizballah from re-arming and filling the place with hundreds and thousands of rockets and missiles all aimed at Israel.All supposed to be prevented by…the UN…Laughable. Sorry to say – these dreamy people who babble on about this stuff , thinking so simplistically that they “have the answer” – just beggars belief. Unbelievable naiveté and a total absence of commonsense or logic. The real source – the real underlying problem here is one that affects “world citizens” everywhere = ISLAM. Some people are just too blinked and indoctrinated to understand what is happening around them and why…

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        • Nov 23, 2017 @ 8:58 at 8:58
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          The Golan issue wasn’t religious issue, it is about land grab. clearly, @ScottM logics is just a verification of Israel vile intents, and also an justification for ‘war by design’ in 1967. Egypt is a majority muslim/Islam country, could you please answer? Did Egypt attack Israel again after Israel give Sinai back to Egypt in the form of peace agreements that guarantee by UN/ and International countries? As for Palestinian, Lebanon and Syria Israel still occupied (some or whole area:Israel imposed Gaza buffer zones and west bank,sheeba and Golan) and ignoring dozen of UN Res, what do you expect from occupied/repressed people’s then ?

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        • Nov 23, 2017 @ 16:43 at 16:43
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          How about Egypt give the sinai to the palestinians for their “homeland”

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      • Nov 23, 2017 @ 10:20 at 10:20
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        Were the Heights the inheritance of the 10 tribes or part of the southern kingdom?
        If they were part of Northern Israel, then Jews don’t have a claim over them.

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        • Nov 23, 2017 @ 13:18 at 13:18
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          Who do they belong to – ISIS, Syria, HEZBOLLAH, etc? You go ahead and give your home to terrorists and then come back to this forum to report how well you are doing.

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      • Nov 29, 2017 @ 22:06 at 22:06
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        Since when does citing a resolution of the United Nations make you a Holocaust denier? Maybe if you read more and cry less you would understand that the acquisition of territories by force within the UN is unacceptable and if you want archaeological bases to support your political reasoning you would understand that there is no archaeological trace that proves that Israel is the historical heir of Judah. Archeological traces of Vikings in North America, that does not make Denmark the legitimate owner of the current Canada

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    • Nov 23, 2017 @ 11:21 at 11:21
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      I agree. And the distances in the article are all false per that reason. That is NOT Israel is occupied Syria land. At the end, to make it short, reciprocity principle seems to everybody reasonable.

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      • Nov 23, 2017 @ 13:22 at 13:22
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        Jordan belongs to Israel according to the British Mandate so why are you not protesting against the Palestinian state of Jordan to stop occupying Jewish historical and biblical rights?

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  • Nov 22, 2017 @ 20:38 at 20:38
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    Interesting enough that everybody perceives Russians as a mighty player there. But Russia is about to collapse financially, to start with. Russian experts opposing the regime insist that military, industry, social sphere, just everything is falling apart. The US sanctions planned for the middle of the February are designed to expose Putin and about a hundred his gang members personally as robbers, money launderers, murderers. Their foreign investments to be frozen until legitimate, that is new uncorrupted government would claim the funds. It is hard to imagine for the regime to survive after that.
    Now, imagine Russia’s demise in several months. What would happen in Syria? I don’t even want to try. The picture is bad enough. That is, Israel is to take measures to secure Northern borders now, so that after Russian complete withdrawal no later than spring will not have dramatic impact on Israel. It is imperative to drive Iran and Hezbollah out of Golans right away, before they got fortified there.
    It is my understanding that Putin knows full well what is in the making and is eager to get some results by all means before “those things start.” Ergo, Israel is safe to act and must act as she please.

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    • Nov 22, 2017 @ 21:30 at 21:30
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      Nice fantasy, IF Israel continuing this current path(occupying others land, refuse to fulfill obligation as per UN Res or agreed peace accord, and even refuse to negotiate new peace agreements), there will be No Israel more in 5-10 years, for sure, even Kissinger believe it.

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    • Nov 22, 2017 @ 23:27 at 23:27
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      I dont see it.
      In the last year Russia has even managed to increase their foreign reserves. Not sure how, they were retreating for 2 years straight from 2014 but have managed to turn that around.
      Putin’s far too savvy an opponent and all we’ve had to stand against his burgeoning bellicose attitudes over the last decade have been Obama, who was massively out of his depth, and now Trump, his stooge.
      Russia is doing fine, unfortunately, and the west is suffering for it. He’s engineered Brexit, something completely against both Europes and England benefit, and Trump, who will have managed to do an enormous amount of harm by the time he’s impeached. Not that the US system didnt need a massive shakeup, just wish it wasn’t done at Russia’s behest.

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      • Nov 23, 2017 @ 0:06 at 0:06
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        The Saudis should play the Russian Sunni terror card. That will tear Russia apart.

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        • Nov 23, 2017 @ 2:42 at 2:42
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          Saudi’s too busy sniffing butt gas from little boys.

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      • Nov 23, 2017 @ 0:28 at 0:28
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        Today in Sochi Erdogan said he’ll not seat under the same roof with bloody bandits (Kurds) despite Putin’s insistence.

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    • Nov 22, 2017 @ 23:59 at 23:59
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      Putin will deliver Assad to Trump to make sure the US is not involved in deposing him. Israel needs to push the US to interfere into Putin’s 2018 re-election.

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  • Nov 22, 2017 @ 22:23 at 22:23
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    The disciples of R. Jose b. Kisma asked him, ‘When will the Messiah come?’ He answered, ‘I fear lest you demand a sign of me.’ They assured him, ‘We will demand no sign of you.’ So he answered them, ‘When this gate falls down, is rebuilt, falls again, and is again rebuilt, and then falls a third time, before it can be rebuilt the son of David will come.’

    They said to him, ‘Master, give us a sign.’ He protested, ‘Did you not assure me that you would not demand a sign?’ They replied, ‘Even so.’ He said to them. ‘If so, let the waters of the grotto of Paneas turn into blood;’ and they turned into blood. When he lay dying he said to them, ‘Place my coffin deep for there is not one palm-tree in Babylon to which a Persian horse will not be tethered, nor one coffin in Palestine out of which a Median horse will not eat straw.’

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  • Nov 22, 2017 @ 22:58 at 22:58
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    you are a stupid idiot Jim Camel. Your fascination with camel is laughable. It is expected from a cattle rider from a hole in Texas.

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  • Nov 22, 2017 @ 23:07 at 23:07
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    It is not Israeli border. It is stolen Syrian land and Israel is after water……… They are following their master Hitler stealing and land grabbing. They need to learn from history, the Jews are still claiming tor properties they lost during Nazi time, It is not for the thieves to decide who is allowed in Syria and they will not be able to keep stolen Syrian and Palestinian land forever and the nuclear bombs is not going to help them because even if they use them they will all die of radiation and make Hitler look like an angel.

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  • Nov 23, 2017 @ 2:44 at 2:44
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    John McStain will come up with a plan, and Hilary “grace mugabe” Clinton will kakle, we came, we say, he died!

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  • Nov 23, 2017 @ 4:40 at 4:40
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    The north Koreans can wipe seol south korea off the map with artillery without using there nuclear weapons. I wonder if iran can set the same consequence for Israel from Syria to Tel Aviv? In G-d I trust.

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    • Nov 23, 2017 @ 11:50 at 11:50
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      They could. But that would be an open declaration of war.

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    • Nov 26, 2017 @ 18:20 at 18:20
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      what a load of crap! neither flea-bitten totalitarian regime could feed its people in the face of a full international blockade.

      it’s like a local 7-11 robber threatening the police swat team with a single revolver.

      you and whose army?

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  • Nov 23, 2017 @ 11:48 at 11:48
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    The Israelis always have the option of attacking Iran directly, if Putin fails to rein in the the Iranians. Also, the Israelis could choose to eliminate Assad.

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    • Nov 24, 2017 @ 4:46 at 4:46
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      Russian ships in Saudi ports….soon.

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  • Nov 23, 2017 @ 18:42 at 18:42
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    Iran’s existance gives so much advantage to Israel.
    That if she did not exist, then she had to be created.

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  • Nov 23, 2017 @ 20:02 at 20:02
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    You are a bit Has Been dude.

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  • Nov 23, 2017 @ 22:32 at 22:32
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    it looks as if blue line alpha, from the 1974 UN Disengagement of Forces is the line being taken by the afghan/iraqi shia monsters who’ve just sworn, en masse, to massacre every last Israeli. Syria/Russia will say that Syria has invited these foreign forces to defend them.

    Israel will say, NOPE!! NO CAN DO! EXPECT AN Eventual IAF high powered blitzkrieg if the Shia savages become an existential menace, either through sheer numbers, by deeds, or both.

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  • Nov 24, 2017 @ 0:20 at 0:20
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    Israel tiene el derecho a su defensa,de iran,estado patrocinador del terrorismo y de hezbolla,grupo de asesinos que deberian estar 10 metros bajo tierra,Rusia juega con fuego,luego,todos estos grupos fundamentalistas daran vuelta al caucaso,verdadero dolor de cabeza para la madre rusia,tan vasta y despoblada,y con muchos islamistas dentro,la verdadera razon de la intervencion de rusia en siria,fue por un lado conservar la unica base naval en el extranjero,y por el otro,aniquilar a los islamistas en territorio extranjero,algo asi como hizo EEUU luego del 11/9/2001,creando un teatro de operaciones en Irak,donde acudieron todos los extremistas a pelear contra el ” gran satan”,y donde los EEUU enfrentaron con sus mejores recursos militares a estos terroristas,y no en sus condados y ciudades dentro de los EEUU,bueno ,Rusia hizo lo mismo en siria,por un lado preservo su base naval de Tartus y por el otro aniquilo con sus recursos militares a estos parasitos extremistas fuera de sus fronteras.Israel debe prepararse para enfrentar a hezbolla e iran juntos en una ventana de tiempo no mayor a 5 años.Seguramente vencera !!!

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  • Nov 24, 2017 @ 4:45 at 4:45
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    Just go ahead and give them the Golan heights, and also Jerusalem, and Tel Aviv. You can always move to New York.

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  • Nov 24, 2017 @ 11:37 at 11:37
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    EVER LASTING PEACE IS AVAILABLE AT HAND. Please gingerly pick it up, and is here how: Netanyahu and Nasrallah families have have sons and daughters, they have to intermarry one son and one daughter each.

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  • Nov 26, 2017 @ 11:50 at 11:50
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    fake news and fake jews……your not jews, most of you Zionist Extremists changed your names to keep the lies going……..fakes !!

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  • Nov 26, 2017 @ 18:47 at 18:47
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    The Palestinians need to leave the West Bank and Gaza. They have no historical right to those lands. They were never a people, they were nomads that claimed a heritage that wasn’t their own.
    Israel, Jerusalem, Golan…..it’s all Israel’s historical right and ordained by God as their heritage.

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    • Nov 28, 2017 @ 4:25 at 4:25
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      The UN created your little settler colony of EUROPEAN INVADERS.

      Are you claiming the UN to be god?

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    • Nov 28, 2017 @ 17:57 at 17:57
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      all middleast is persian empire from 2500 years ago from god of persian mitra
      so go out from our big country :))

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  • Nov 28, 2017 @ 4:24 at 4:24
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    Hey Nutty-Yahoo:

    Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

    Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

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  • Nov 29, 2017 @ 9:09 at 9:09
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    How bad will Erdogan’s intentions in Syria hurt.

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