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Two more Russian topline Su-57 land in Syria to challenge US, Israeli air might

Sukhoi-57, Russia, US, Israel, Syria

Government sources in Moscow reported Saturday, Feb. 24, that four fifth-generation Sukhoi-57 jet fighters are currently deployed in Syria after a second pair landed Friday.  The first two arrived on  Monday, Feb. 19 at Russia’s Khmeimim air base, along with 4 Su-35 fighters, 4 Su-25 strike aircraft and an A-50U radar command-and-control platform.

DEBKA file reported the first pair’s arrival on Friday, Feb. 23, along with this comment: This top-performance fleet raises Russia’s air strike and defense capabilities in Syria to the highest standards of any air force in the world, with enough power to take on superior US and Israeli air might in the Syrian arena. The Su-57’s weapon bays are designed to carry Russia’s new nuclear tactical X-50 air-launched cruise missile, although it is not known whether the aircraft in Syria are carrying them. DEBKA Weekly’s military sources see President Vladimir Putin’s decision to send the Su-57 fighters to Syria as substantially raising the big power stakes in Syria after the loss of dozens of Russian troops on Feb. 7 to massive US artillery and air strikes that decimated the Russian, Syrian and pro-Iranian forces crossing the Euphrates River. An American radar-invisible F-22 took part in that raid. The Russians have dubbed the Su-57 the “F-22 killer.”

It is also Russia’s response to Israel’s air offensive on Feb. 10, which targeted the shared Russian-Iranian T-4 air base near Palmyra and smashed four Iranian Revolutionary Guards forward command centers in Syria, after downing an Iranian drone. It is also seen in Moscow as a challenge for Israel’s newly acquired fifth-generation US F-35 combat aircraft.
Does Putin intend to order his mighty airborne strike force to go into battle against the US or Israel in the boiling Syrian arena? If he does, he will be launching the first contest between the most sophisticated warplanes ever devised for a test of superior might between the US and Russia and a war escalation unprecedented, even in Syria.
The very presence of the Su-57 across the border has had the instant effect of reducing the Israel air force’s freedom of action over Syria and Lebanon. The landing of the Russian Sukhoi-57 in Syria and its dire implications were first revealed in the latest DEBKA Weekly 790. To subscribe, click here.

 

 

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124 thoughts on “Two more Russian topline Su-57 land in Syria to challenge US, Israeli air might

  • Feb 23, 2018 @ 9:18 at 9:18
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    The Russians can put the nickname they want, the only thing certain is that they are inferior under any military aspect and when they take them they do not love him.
    There is nothing to do that the countries that are not democratic do not have the ability and the inventiveness to think of things that in the West we have by by Russians.
    I am proud of living in the West and being Western

    • Feb 23, 2018 @ 9:38 at 9:38
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      Just what exactly are you proud of? The idea of being proud to be a Western makes just about as much sense as you thinking of yourself as being a car when standing in a garage…

      Just what exacty does the west have to be proud of? Exporting “democracy” all over the world? Vietnam, Laos, Chile, Nikaragua, Honduras, Panama, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, yah, I sure see a lot of “projects” the West can be proud of…

      • Feb 23, 2018 @ 11:15 at 11:15
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        I am proud of the heritage of liberty, rule of law and human prosperity that comes from the embrace of liberal democracy. Are your proud of dictators?

        • Feb 23, 2018 @ 12:08 at 12:08
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          democracy nice and good but why do you support hard core islamist??? Why support saudi arabia, qatar and so on. Why bomb the only secular countries in the mideast like Libya and syria. The west is a hyprocrite and a whore but elite whore. You in the west for your own people democrazy but it s also changing because of the moslems here. Who controls media and economy here ???? Who brings all the islamization to the people in the west?? Who forces this multiculti upon the people??? Do you think the people here are free to decide??? No manipulation??? The west have been a better place but in the future I am not so sure. We have lost a lot of our values and about our own destiny. We are more and more manipulated society like our markets. Do you believe in the sage of free markets anymore? Men, wake up. The west is loosing and we decline against asia. Soon they will overtake us in all aspects. I know why we lost this competition and our souls look to the zio

          • Feb 23, 2018 @ 16:30 at 16:30
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            “loosing” kinda says it all, doesn’t it? right from the bottom of the intellectual barrel, even before the “zio” at the end.

            get lost, loser.

          • Feb 26, 2018 @ 18:50 at 18:50
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            did you know that even a zio would not fuck your mother

          • Mar 14, 2018 @ 9:27 at 9:27
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            putin pawn

        • Feb 23, 2018 @ 15:00 at 15:00
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          Excellent response to a stupid question. Long live freedom. God Bless
          Israel and the US.

          • Feb 24, 2018 @ 20:11 at 20:11
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            Yes judgement is coming to the West but also to the East,North and South just not from Man.

        • Feb 23, 2018 @ 18:37 at 18:37
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          your rotten west is collapsing under the burden of trillions $ of debt, your liberty is gone longtime ago and your political system is a farcical show when the party of right is the same as the party of the left owned by banksters and oligarchs – you live in wonderland and you have to be asleep to believe it- as my friend Jo use to say “stick a fork in their ass, they are done!!!”

          • Feb 23, 2018 @ 21:47 at 21:47
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            Statue of Liberty is kaput!!!

          • Feb 26, 2018 @ 19:01 at 19:01
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            @v c :
            a new heydrich should burn all the complotists of your type to hell,maybe breivik?

        • Feb 23, 2018 @ 18:55 at 18:55
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          Come to Canada, our liberty is quickly being eroded by all kinds of hate speech laws. Freedom takes the back burner to possibly causing offense.

        • Feb 23, 2018 @ 19:22 at 19:22
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          Does the CRAZY WEST make Humans like you SIMPLE PROGRAMMAMLE ILLOGICAL MACHINES with NO RIGHT OR POWER TO THINK???
          In the WILD WEST, the CRAZY LAW HAS THE RIGHT TO THINK:
          WESTERN CITIZENS are just like HERDS OF DONKEYS and they have to FOLLOW CRAZY LAWS BLINDLY…
          WELCOME TO THE REAL & CRAZY WILD WEST…

        • Feb 24, 2018 @ 17:43 at 17:43
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          That came from Christ, who was followed by kings not tyrants. Christ, king of kings.

          • Feb 25, 2018 @ 10:55 at 10:55
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            “That came from Christ, who was followed by kings not tyrants.”

            Like King Philip of France and his extermination of the Knights Templar ?????

      • Feb 23, 2018 @ 11:30 at 11:30
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        I don’t know why you don’t list all the things that Russia and Iran and Saudi Arabia – and the rest of the gang – are now “exporting” around the world. In any reality – the US and the Western way is absolutely preferred to anything else going. Warts and all. ..that’s unless of course you are the enemy and want us all under a totalitarian regime? Is that what you are? Because, friend, if the West falls you are finished too.

      • Feb 23, 2018 @ 21:12 at 21:12
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        leftist still fantasize about when they tricked the sleeping public, now they are looked down upon as fools

      • Mar 13, 2018 @ 19:26 at 19:26
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        Democracy for one when ran right. I hand you a gun and you accidently shoot yourself It must be the guns problem eh! He probably meant western values and inventiveness. Oh yes most our countries do no inplode politically in a violent way. Note I said most. Having said that, just how is the middle east doing these days? Things may be not as good there as China and Tibet. That non expansionist Chins is sure making noise around those new islands they felt free to build.

    • Feb 23, 2018 @ 11:56 at 11:56
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      what a moron are you?? The fuck russia won WWWII Bastard and saved the jews. The US would have never won that war without russia.
      Than you smilthy rat should read a little bit about russian history than you would have known what russia means for his enemies. You can not win against russia it s just that easy baby.

      • Feb 23, 2018 @ 13:42 at 13:42
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        You are a fucking clown

      • Feb 23, 2018 @ 17:08 at 17:08
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        It’s not known if US would win the WW2 without Russia, but very likely Russia alone would not win without US help. The huge volume of military equipment, ammunition, food, medical supply, etc was provided at the critical time, after huge losses occurred at beginning of the war and industrial production collapsed due to evacuation from occupied territories. And don’t forget that about half million of Jews were fighting Nazis within Russian army, and per statistics irreversible losses among Jews were much higher then per overall army average.

      • Feb 24, 2018 @ 5:16 at 5:16
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        The U.S. developed the first atomic bombs to win the war.

        • Feb 24, 2018 @ 17:49 at 17:49
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          what need has a mighty nation of this when 60 japanese cities and towns are already lying in ruins with Hiroshima and Nagasaki untouched? No, the atomic holocaust super weapon was developed for and by the only minority capable of it and for an enemy of man, a false mesiah.

          • Feb 26, 2018 @ 19:02 at 19:02
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            ivan :you and your friends of the religion of peace are the ennemy of the us,russia and china

          • Feb 27, 2018 @ 0:55 at 0:55
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            for poster underneath. Territorial national idolatry is the greatest folly of all and not a serious negotiating position.

      • Feb 24, 2018 @ 23:02 at 23:02
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        I am a United States veteran. Even though we have the best military and equipment. Russia did win ww2 and no country could invade Russia and win

        • Feb 26, 2018 @ 15:59 at 15:59
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          Hello – Russia prevailed in WWII (albeit, it did not win it) because (i) of the near-staggering amounts of munitions and other vital supplies it received from the Western allies (principally, from the U.S.) AND more importantly, perhaps, (ii) the persistent U.S. and British military efforts at the Western Front forced Germany to divide its army and related military resources to fight both wars at the same time. Had the U.S. and British not persevered at the Western Front, the German military would eventually have overrun the Russian resistance and hung Stalin. Effectively, the second front efforts of the U.S. and British helped immeasurably to split-cripple the military might of German. Without which, the expectation being that Russia would have fallen. Regards to all.

        • Mar 19, 2018 @ 16:58 at 16:58
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          i dont think you are a united states veteran if really you are then you are stupid and no culture and no capacity of analysing facts

      • Feb 25, 2018 @ 21:16 at 21:16
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        Rusia so far has not won any wars , they only reap the spoils. History repeats.. first Afganis now Assadis.

        Little Boy sang “what ever you can do I can do better!”

    • Feb 23, 2018 @ 18:52 at 18:52
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      How do you know. The F22 is still an old tech plane vs top of range modern Russia’s tech .

      Let’s see if old tech can beat new tech when it is well known Russian missiles tech is well ahead of US still using old Missiles.

      Russia has so many right reasons to be deployed from testing the plane to keeping the F22 at Bay.

      As it is no Israeli plane can entertain Syria as Syria has replaced damaged radars by ISIS as ISIS is no more. All Attacks on Syria had to be from defenceless Lebanon

    • Feb 24, 2018 @ 0:37 at 0:37
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      Jesus is Lord, Lord of USA, Lord of Russia Lord of the world. Jesus is love, Jesus loves you, hate and lies are from Satan, he was a lier from the beginning. Walk according to the Word of God and not according to Satan.

    • Feb 24, 2018 @ 8:17 at 8:17
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      Why you are praising yourself,let others judge . Russian isn’t Soviet Union.

    • Feb 24, 2018 @ 16:32 at 16:32
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      No , the filthy westerners are superior to whom ? Old nations? I understand Jews have some history of nomads , and wonderers , slaves to a hummer, and plain idiots . But they to compare to Westerners or so called Anglo Americans is completely different things . But than all of the westerners compare to Russians and slavs has no comparison . Westerners could only compare to shit , filth , and disregard to owners of the land , universal owners . And to your filthy knowledge , just make sure you all freaks do not cross that line of the lands originators , since all of you will dissapear in brutal and very quick way , And trust no weapons would be needed for such… Just try to do something filthy once more , you might see Universal elimination of Americans as you know it.

    • Feb 24, 2018 @ 20:12 at 20:12
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      Exactly so.
      Those fighters are only test examples,they will never be sent into battle,as they did not even finish their tests.
      They do not posses a 5th generation engine,and their stealth is suspicious,(as air inlets are opne,unlike F-22,F-35).
      This is a PR stunt by Putin before the elections in Russia.The best he could do, send prototypes to Syria and pretend that Russia had 5th generation fighter.
      Actually, official news is that they plan to acquire 2 (two) jets for Air force in 2019 and another 10 until 2025.
      Then, if they construct the 5th generation engine, they will maybe order full scale production.
      Just to mention, F-22 entered full scale production during 1990-es, and was acquired in 2004 by US Air Force, complete (180 or so) production finished by 2008.Since then, another 200+ F-35 fighters have been produced and entered service.
      Russians can give the name “F-22 killer” to their jets, but it is just propaganda-PR purposes.
      Russians in Syria will be careful to avoid ANY risk in fear of losing untested aircraft – so they sent old SU-27 (version SU-30. and SU 35) to kindergarten SU-57`s

    • Feb 25, 2018 @ 10:27 at 10:27
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      Proud? Of everlasting REGIME CHANGE and WAR for PROFIT?
      You are a MSM slurping drone.
      The USA is spread so thin, trained so badly, supplied so eratically that the Russians will own Syria by end of summer.
      Do you really think that lesbos and trannies in the US military can beat the hard trained Russian troops?
      You are dismissed,
      Gunny
      USMC E-7 Ret.

    • Mar 7, 2018 @ 22:07 at 22:07
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      Put that comment in English so I can read it, please

    • Mar 7, 2018 @ 22:09 at 22:09
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      Could you please rewrite your comment in English, so I can understand it?

    • Mar 17, 2018 @ 23:10 at 23:10
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      You are a dumbfuck who knows nothing about military or democracy.

  • Feb 23, 2018 @ 9:28 at 9:28
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    Maybe a dolphin is traveling to the black see.

    • Feb 23, 2018 @ 11:03 at 11:03
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      we know where your suicide subs are , jew bollocks. better to release the hostages and come out with your hands where they can be seen, you’re being evicted .

      • Feb 23, 2018 @ 11:48 at 11:48
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        You don’t “know” anything. None us really do.

        I just don’t want the world to be run by complete tyrants and primitive muslims – so I just hope the US and Israel have better weapons and abilities and can stop them.

      • Feb 23, 2018 @ 13:43 at 13:43
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        You have one aircraft carrier you fucking clown. You can’t evict shit. Your poor ass country is trying to make a move for the gas reserves in the medeterranian. Not gonna happen. Trump and Bibi will be the end of putin, and your entire peasant society. Potato-sack wearing motherfuckers.

        • Feb 23, 2018 @ 15:06 at 15:06
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          Trump be the end of putin? LOL that was the best joke ever.

        • Feb 23, 2018 @ 16:49 at 16:49
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          Carriers? Big strategic error. We don’t need them. we will sink your carrier battle groups. This will represent a huge defeat and will be relatively easy compared to your task.

          • Feb 26, 2018 @ 19:08 at 19:08
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            who is we?the allied motherfuckers?

        • Feb 25, 2018 @ 10:30 at 10:30
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          You have it backwards Jethro…
          Russia already has 75% of all natural resources on earthy.
          The USA is trying to force a Qatar-Med pipeline THROUGH SYRIA.. DUH
          That is why the CIA created ISIS with the help of the Sunni/Wahhabi Saudi Arabians.
          You are dismissed,
          E-7 Ret.

          • Feb 26, 2018 @ 6:21 at 6:21
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            KGB created ISIS to make the Chechyns stop attacking Russia. A ploy by KGB Pootin, that will backfire on Pootin.

            How long ago were you dishonorably discharged?

      • Feb 23, 2018 @ 23:16 at 23:16
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        the we can take a good shower in a…..z to begin with

    • Feb 24, 2018 @ 2:14 at 2:14
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      .Some missing technical facts here:

      1. The new SU-57 fighter uses exterior pods to carry many of its munitions, particularly surface-targeted ordnance. This makes the SU-57 far more visible to radar arrays, both land-based and air-based, compared to the F-35.

      2. The SU-57 has two large exhaust vents, compared with just one for the F-35. This makes the Russian fighter much more vulnerable to heat-seeking missile sensors.

      3. The SU-57 does not utilize the same radar-dispersion skin materials as the F-35, according to Janes Defense. Once again, this makes the Russian fighter much easier for air-to-air missiles to detect.

      4. In stand-off AtoA missile technology, the Americans are far ahead, which provides a much higher lethality ratio for US-launched missiles– and from much greater distances to provide greater survivability or US aircraft.

      Now you can huff and puff all you like, but these are well-documented technical details. Sorry, Ivan. Even when you copy our designs and some of our technology, you lose in the end. Happy trails! ;- )

      • Feb 24, 2018 @ 18:00 at 18:00
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        …and Assadistan’s electronic warfare suite and integrated air defensive systems radars?

  • Feb 23, 2018 @ 10:11 at 10:11
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    YES the ” democracy ” of the west has always been evil!! because the lucifarian deep state has been in control of the west for hundreds of years enriching themselves through war.
    The godless values of today’s west…no wonder the Word says …”narrow is the Gates and few will enter…”

    • Feb 23, 2018 @ 13:44 at 13:44
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      Deep state is communist you dumb fuck, not “lucifarian”

  • Feb 23, 2018 @ 10:37 at 10:37
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    gj israel and the united states. srsly a BIG FUCK YOU to Israel and the USA for letting this get that far.

    fukcing bush,obama,trump and mostly Netnyahu let htis happen, you motherfukcers shouldve blew iran to pieces along with syria and their proxies…..but nooooooooooo, you just sat aside.

    Although i believe no one could take the might of our Airforce given we are the strongest army in the world, but if a confrontation happens we will win but b e sure we will lose an arm and a leg.

    again a big bravo to the israelies , just sitting there like fukcing cowards rather then putting your fists up

    • Feb 23, 2018 @ 13:45 at 13:45
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      you’re a bit of a retard, aren’t you? Mostly Netanyahu? Try mostly Obama.

      • Feb 25, 2018 @ 21:40 at 21:40
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        100 percent Correct Walter,

        The infamous “red line”// maybe Yisrael only acts on what it says she will do.
        BTW does anyone know the name, who/wat company builds these super stealth war machines? or does it just say ‘made by the infederation’

    • Feb 26, 2018 @ 22:54 at 22:54
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      reality,the big mouth:why do not you go and attack iran,motherfucker

  • Feb 23, 2018 @ 10:37 at 10:37
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    The correct question is: Is Netanyahu dumb enough to start a war against Russia?

    Oh, and Syria is not an arena, it is an independent country, defending itself against the aggression of Israel and the US – both fascist regimes. Get your terms right!

    • Feb 23, 2018 @ 11:13 at 11:13
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      Is assad dumb enough to take on Israel? no. Syria is still in civil war- and Assad is still a ruthless dictator who uses chemical weapons. the world will be better off when this guy is gone.

      • Feb 23, 2018 @ 12:48 at 12:48
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        Yeah, similar to how the world is better off without Saddam (who was massively supported by the USA by the way) and Gaddafi? And please stop with the bollocks how Assad used chemical weapons, no one can really believe these fairy tales any more, ever since it was proven that the rebels used chemical weapons and tried to pin the blame on Assad. And these chemical weapons were provided to the rebels (ISIS) by the USA from Ukraine. So, again, if you believe that the Siryan government gasses their own people you are a real sheep.

        • Feb 26, 2018 @ 23:00 at 23:00
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          it is a common habit for the adepts of the religion of peace

    • Feb 23, 2018 @ 13:47 at 13:47
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      Syria is a pathway:

      For Iran – to Israel

      For Russia – to the gas in the Mediterranean. Sovereign country… not for 7 years. Have you been living under a rock or are you just blind and stupid?

  • Feb 23, 2018 @ 11:11 at 11:11
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    These SU 57’s are prototypes. The aircraft is still in the test phase. They are no match for the F 22’s, nor the F- 35’s, which Israel has a number of. The russians are not interested in an arial war with the US or Israel- a war they would lose. They are most likey deploying these in real live situations to see how these designs work before mass production starts.

    • Feb 23, 2018 @ 11:38 at 11:38
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      exactly syria is a test bed for russia they know there in over there head when it comes to fighting the us and Israel they cant bring enough bullets to this fight

    • Feb 23, 2018 @ 13:47 at 13:47
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      First sane comment

  • Feb 23, 2018 @ 11:12 at 11:12
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    The Russians must be asking themselves what the hell they are doing fighting over a destroyed country that they will never rule over. The Muslims have wiped themselves out in the region and there is nothing left.

    Flexing their military might to defend carnage, more terrorism, and genocide does not look good on Russia. It shows them for what they are: opportunistic parasites without morality.

    The mess the Russian Soviets leave behind in Syria is a crime against humanity shared with the Islamists, Turkey, Assad, ISIS, and the Arab states who have made war and terror a way of life in that region for 70 years.

    • Feb 23, 2018 @ 12:55 at 12:55
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      You can’t really believe that. Russia defends terrorism? For fcuck’s sake, they came and stopped ISIS. The bloody Yanks “battled” the ISIS for 2 years and id NOTHING, ISIS was advancing constantly. It was only when the Ruskies arrived, the flow began to change.

      You would be better off taking a look on Israel who gave theis support to ISIS, intelligence, spy satelite info, aerial recon, as well as medical supplies and treatment of wounded ISIS in Israeli hospitals. Also Arab states, esp. Saudis are working veery closely with Israel, as they have a common enemy – Iran. Syria was a beautiful country, with the friendliest people. It was multiethnic and multi religious, with Christians and Muslims living peacefully side by side… And you saying anything different just makes you look like an ignorant hick…

      • Feb 23, 2018 @ 13:48 at 13:48
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        another retard

      • Feb 23, 2018 @ 14:47 at 14:47
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        Russia has been arming Syria and whomever else wanted arms to battle Israel for many decades. Egypt was almost a client state of the Soviets and they made war not only possible but an inevitability. Your lie that Isreal sided with ISIS is typical of the hysterical who see every action Israel takes to defend itself as something wrong. Israel will do what it takes to keep the major threat, Iran-Hezbollah, an aggressor, invader, conqueror and occupier; and backed by Russia, away from its borders. If I were in charge, they (Islamo fascists) would not have made it anywhere near my home.

      • Feb 23, 2018 @ 15:11 at 15:11
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        israel and syria had a long lasting cold peace,until the adepts of the religion of peace with their murderous instincts began to kill each other

        • Feb 23, 2018 @ 18:12 at 18:12
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          So, Israel is responsible when Mulims go after Muslims and kill each other with genocidal determination?

      • Feb 23, 2018 @ 15:29 at 15:29
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        russia has been arming hezbula and the iran proxy militias who are as bad as isis. russia is in syria protecting a dictator who did attrocities to his people.

        Doesnt matter what putin says , assad is a fascist dictator who his people are afraid going against him or else they get tortured and killed.

        Russia is basically defending an arabic kim jong young

  • Feb 23, 2018 @ 11:49 at 11:49
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    Putin is a Jew. Netanyahu is a Jew. They are friends who work together. Did Putin ever attack Israelis or Americans when they bombed and killed Russian (goyim i.e. animals or cattle) fighters? Never.
    Putin will never fight against Israel to protect the lives of animals.
    The planes are merchandise being advertised for sale, that’s all. They are no threat to Jewish lives nor Jewish supremacy.
    God=Israel

    • Feb 23, 2018 @ 13:51 at 13:51
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      you are a madman. Putin is russian.

  • Feb 23, 2018 @ 11:51 at 11:51
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    Well, that could easily go the other way too…so far russian equipment hasn’t been very effective ..maybe these new toys might perform better. I hope not. Looks like we’ll soon see…

  • Feb 23, 2018 @ 12:06 at 12:06
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    Of course Western democracy is imperfect.
    But I think that the limitations of capitalism are much better than dictatorial regimes This seems very visible to me because people do not flee from democracies to go to others (and could) but start from less liberal regimes to come to us.
    Our model is what allows us to be more attractive and give everyone an opportunity fundamentally without discriminating against them.
    If you like a system where you do not have to worry, then do not do a shit of anything that is different from what they have decided that you will do, move or remain 🙂

    • Feb 23, 2018 @ 12:59 at 12:59
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      You seem to be making an obvious mistake thinking that the opposite of democracy are dictatorial regimes. Quite often the dictatorial regimes were imposed on others in the name of demorcacy. Why can’t Yanks just mind their own business?

      Oh, yeah, because they force the $ on all the world so they can benefit.

  • Feb 23, 2018 @ 12:29 at 12:29
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    Allow me to chip in, when these so called ineffective russian equipments are being used by a friend of the west such as India everyone agree that they’re the best weapons, example SU-30MKI. As I said before, someone is collecting useful data for future real action. Let’s wait and see if Armageddon is a real thing.

  • Feb 23, 2018 @ 14:33 at 14:33
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    Stealth only in name superior no not even close,The aircraft has a radar signature the size of a bus and a heat signature like a volcano,more of Putins bluff..

    • Feb 23, 2018 @ 22:09 at 22:09
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      does it really matter? they’re deployed to syria for field testing. a total of 6 combat planes (the su-25 is strictly cas) isn’t going to upset the world’s strategic balance. especially not if it’s wedged between israel and turkey, not to mention the usaf operating in syria.

  • Feb 23, 2018 @ 14:42 at 14:42
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    So whatever happened to the -300’s and S-400’s air defense missile batteries that were supposed to be a game changer?

  • Feb 23, 2018 @ 15:06 at 15:06
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    The cultures of Russia and the United States are closer together than any middle eastern country. Russia and US should become allies and trading partners and flush that S!@# hole called the middle east.
    The US and Russia produce plenty of their own oil and don’t need the radical countries…save Israel and flush the rest.

    • Feb 23, 2018 @ 15:15 at 15:15
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      🙂

    • Feb 23, 2018 @ 15:41 at 15:41
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      Yes. Russia has been Christian since 986AD. Their destiny is with the West, not Islamists.

    • Feb 24, 2018 @ 4:28 at 4:28
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      Ditto!!!

  • Feb 23, 2018 @ 16:09 at 16:09
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    inferior to what or to whom ? Just remember your superiority in 1973 —-what a superior performance by all the Jews , Israelis, Americans ,etc . What a win !!!! In that win you almost got occupied again . Israer gained exactly what ? Lost Iamit , Refidim , Access to Suez, Sharm Ashech , All the routs in Sinai , Underground facilities , Arrogation units, All Sinai . And Israel gained 3 million gaza people , that Egyptians just settle Israeli stupidity on . Even all the accesses to Taba and part roads to Eilat were lost , not to speak about water main routs . Not just that , Israel lost oil and gas fields no other ones but those Russian found , and those supplied your country almost 90% . But than all you did for it is lost it to “inferior army ” . that gave you almost 100,000 killed and wounded , beat you in the tank battle field , in the air to the point that you left with no aircraft, tanks, people to fight and ammo. Nukes threat –all you had , and if someone than Egyptian would be instead , irrelevant of that nuke crap, they would erase you all to the ground ……

    • Feb 23, 2018 @ 17:04 at 17:04
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      judging by the out of control ad hominen, I’d say G-d’s superman has rapidly shrinking ethno religious bollocks.

    • Feb 23, 2018 @ 19:03 at 19:03
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      OK, Bagdad Bob’s Iranian cousin.

  • Feb 23, 2018 @ 16:50 at 16:50
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    With hundreds of “non-Russians” killed; his lieutenants of the thugocracy in Moscow, breathing fire; angry families enquiring after their dead loved ones; and an election for president of Russia in the offing; Putin has to put on a show of force. One that he may well live to regret, if he misjudges the situation, like he did when the Russians denied that Russians were on their way to attack the American forces, in Syria.

  • Feb 23, 2018 @ 17:53 at 17:53
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    This is dangerous. But only for Russia. These prototypes are not even fully tested, never fired live munitions, no doctrine on how to use these systems, the avionics, radar, engines, etc are not fully tested let alone proven. Dangerous for the pilots that need to fly a prototype in a war zone. It’s a political stunt. The only good thing is the U.S. and Isreal can now collect intelligence on this prototype. Let’s hope a haji with a MANPAD doesn’t bring one down for the pilot’s sake. Which is very likely. These planes are not all that stealthy. Remember stealth is more than a shape. But it would be a great intelligence boon for the U.S. and Isreal. Vlad may have miscalculated on this one.

  • Feb 23, 2018 @ 21:07 at 21:07
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    The F22 is the one and only operative real 5th gen aircraft around. It’s one of those one of a kind planes that the aviation industry prefers to kill because of bussines oppurtunity. Uprading the F22 would mean no need to waste money researching for 6th gen planes… The F22 is operative since 2005… I can’t immagine how a prototype could be a match for the most capable fighter in the sky.

  • Feb 23, 2018 @ 21:23 at 21:23
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    The su-57 is obviously based upon the F-22. They are pretty much the same plane. (the Russians and the Chinese stole the plans for the F-22 years ago). They are obviously having development problems, but the basic design is good, why? It’s a F-22 clone.

  • Feb 23, 2018 @ 21:26 at 21:26
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    If an SU-57 is shut down Putin may be replaced by a murderous, absolutely crazy new dictator. Be careful what you wish for!

  • Feb 23, 2018 @ 22:20 at 22:20
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    despite the sensationalism, russia is just field testing a new model. 6 fighters, even very capable ones, won’t last 15 minutes against a concerted attack from a real air force. even if they had harry potter’s magic cloak of invisibility, their airfield isn’t going anywhere, and a handful of bombs could leave them with nowhere to land, to refuel and rearm.

    https://www.wired.com/2009/08/think-tank-china-beats-us-in-simulated-taiwan-air-war/

  • Feb 23, 2018 @ 23:58 at 23:58
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    What is this warmongering madness?! Why on earth should civilized nations ever regress into destructive self-defeating cold-war insanity?!
    Take a simple look at history and the facts!
    Russia and the former Soviet Union did more to help win World War II than anyone. If not for them, the Nazis would have defeated the West and the genocide of Jews and others would have been completed. There’d also be no Israel.
    Up to this present day, for many years Russia is fighting the same terrorist enemies we are all forced to defend ourselves against. Have you forgotten 911? The theatre in Russia and apartment buildings blown up in Moscow? Muslim terrorist attacks against Israel, India, UK, USA, France, Bali, Russia and everywhere. Thousands of innocent civilians killed by Islamic terrorists.
    Western nations must continue to stand together against ongoing and real threats to western civilization.
    It is insane and horrifically wrong to insult, or even get close to provoking each other. The enemies of civilization rejoice and celebrate whenever a Russian wife, family and child mourn their loved ones. Just as families in the USA, Israel and elsewhere weep and mourn.
    There should be no interest or any circumstance whatsoever in which Russia, the US, Israel and allies have any incidents whatsoever. Russian, US and Israeli forces should NEVER confront, but cooperate and work together.
    This is not a childish game in which the US and Russian air forces should ever compete or provoke.
    It is absolutely essential that cooperation and friendship is promoted and implemented. Not a cold war mentality that could lead to more suffering and World War III

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      Amen brother…

    • Feb 25, 2018 @ 6:48 at 6:48
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      but the spoiler in the mix is iran, and the jihadis, and the turks, and…

      in syria, at least, it’s a fool’s game trying to sort out the “good guys” from the “bad guys”, because both sides are evil. (just look at the civilian death toll.) so it boils down to supporting whichever side serves your interests, such as the kurds, or the russians, because isis is a much greater threat. but what to do about the turks?

      “war doesn’t decide who is right, only who is left.”

  • Feb 24, 2018 @ 1:24 at 1:24
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    The F-35s’ equipped with Israeli avionics, are more than a match for any Russian plane, and Putin knows this very well.

  • Feb 24, 2018 @ 2:17 at 2:17
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    Take this Gift Horse they have presented, a wonderful chance to gather intelligence on the latest Russian warplanes in a combat situation where they will be turning on and using all their techno toys. Since these are just prototypes, they probably are not even fully functional. In most likelihood, they can be defeated by good pilot skills and cooperation between long and short range radars and other sensor systems.

  • Feb 24, 2018 @ 3:59 at 3:59
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    The satanic agenda continues unabated.

  • Feb 24, 2018 @ 4:58 at 4:58
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    The planes are considerably less effective if you hit em on the ground.

  • Feb 24, 2018 @ 16:21 at 16:21
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    many wooly comments…… …if one measures the frame of mind of the world by some of these statements….we are in big trouble….. the russian jet should be a sobering reminder…….that the u.s. has been resting on its laurels….in many areas…. thank you……

  • Feb 24, 2018 @ 16:33 at 16:33
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    after the useless su-35 the s400 now it is te the useless su 57 tour . russia tries to convince itself that it is a superpower but especially a false superpower

  • Feb 24, 2018 @ 16:45 at 16:45
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    I have been reading most of the comments. Let me be succinct. Every nation throughout history that comes against Israel literally ends up in the dustbin of history. Israel has a “Spy in the Sky” and He is a Jew..1 Corinthians 15:1-4

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      Yes after 2000 years of misery you should say god loves the jews

    • Feb 27, 2018 @ 1:29 at 1:29
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      Rubbish. Also, a jew isn’t even allowed to read 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. this is what a jew thinks about your gospel of arrogance

      “…the Books [New
      Testament books] of the Minim [believers in Jesus] may not be saved
      from a fire, but they must be burnt in their place, they and the Divine
      Names occurring in them. Now surely it means the blank portions of a
      Scroll of the Law? No: the blank spaces in the Books of Minim.
      Seeing that we [rabbis] may not save the Books of Minim themselves,
      need their blank spaces be stated?-This is its meaning: And the
      Books of Minim are like blank spaces.

      It was stated in the text: The blank spaces and the Books of the
      Minim, we may not save them from a fire. R. Jose said: On weekdays
      one must cut out the Divine Names which they contain, hide them,
      and burn the rest. R. Tarfon said: May I bury my son if I would not
      burn them together with their Divine Names if they came to my hand.
      For even if one pursued me to slay me, or a snake pursued me to bite
      me, I would enter a heathen Temple [for refuge], but not the houses of
      these [people]….And just as we may not rescue them from a fire, so
      may we not rescue them from a collapse [of debris] or from water or
      from anything that may destroy them.” In the Talmud’s footnote to
      this passage, it is said: “R. Meir called it (the Gospel) ‘Awen Gilyon,
      the falsehood of blank paper; R. Johanan called it’ Awon Gilyon, the
      sin of etc.

  • Feb 24, 2018 @ 19:57 at 19:57
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    Debka, stop spreading BS. Su-57 are in prototype stage and are not even remotely combat ready. A single Israeli F-15I would blow all of them out of the sky in a matter of seconds.

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      Exactly so!F-15 is far better then any airplane Russians ever produced,and these SU-57 are just a PR stunt.

  • Feb 24, 2018 @ 23:12 at 23:12
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    So now we know where all those Russian trolls from the 2016 troll farm crew which filled Twitter, Facebook, Google and dozens of newsline blogs with Us election-tampering mud!

    They migrated to Debka and tout the merits of the Potemkin Fighter, the SU (Supremely Useless)57.

  • Feb 24, 2018 @ 23:25 at 23:25
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    Putin and his allies lost the battle for the oil fields, and this airborne strike force move is a photo op, a serious confrontation against American interest just had a reality check.

  • Feb 25, 2018 @ 1:47 at 1:47
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    We propose a chalenge between the best aircrafts in the world somewhere in Syria to show there capabilities between them.
    So afterwards there is more respect between the countries at a certain way and there possibilities of warfare?

  • Feb 25, 2018 @ 6:25 at 6:25
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    The Su-57 show here is part publicity stunt to get India to reconsider their stealth co-venture as Russia needs India’s $ investment to continue R&D as well as production though Russia not willing to share technology with India so such is one reason the deal is now dead. The other reason for the deployment to to measure the West’s technological reaction to the Su-57’s capabilities, e.g., how it is radar painted and targeted; if the Su-57 can detect opposition aircraft BEFORE it is detected itself. In other words, what weaknesses can be revealed to the Russians so they can then make technological and operational improvements to the aircraft. Of course, to permit the Su-57 to operate with full invisibility, strike a few targets, and safety return to base as if they were never detected is a prudent West option so not to reveal the Su-57’s weaknesses and permit Russia to manufacture the aircraft with such defects that in any more serious or larger engagement, after Russia has expensed large sums of its very limited defense budget on production and maintenance, it will fail in battle that will result in heads rolling in the Russian defense establishment as well as causing significant worldwide Russian political embarrassment. Need remember when Churchill permitted the destruction of Coventry so not to reveal the UK’s advanced radar capabilities to the Germans. Hence, the Russians will never know the REAL capabilities of the Su-57, though thinking they do to their defense expenditure disaster as the USA rolls out its 6th generation piloted and drone capable fighter/bomber while the Russians as still producing their flawed Su-57.

  • Feb 25, 2018 @ 13:00 at 13:00
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    SU-57 what is it? It is only a very bad copy of the american F 22 fighter again that is there a manifestation of a russian mirror complex from american Equipment

  • Feb 25, 2018 @ 14:17 at 14:17
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    Putin is a Jew.
    http://lorddreadnought.livejournal.com/3483.html
    Netanyahu is a Jew. They are friends who work together. Did Putin ever attack Israelis or Americans when they bombed and killed Russian (goyim i.e. animals or cattle) fighters? Never.
    Putin will never fight against Israel to protect the lives of animals.
    The planes are merchandise being advertised for sale, that’s all. They are no threat to Jewish lives nor Jewish supremacy.
    God=Israel

  • Feb 25, 2018 @ 14:48 at 14:48
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    OK, I’m not going to claim I’m an expert on any of the aircraft which were mentioned. Maybe one is superior or maybe not.

    But what is clear is the arrival of the SU-57 aircraft should be welcomed by the USA and the Israelis. If those aircraft are flying missions and the USA and Israel have observers and sensor systems in the area then they are likely to learn a lot about the performance characteristics of the SU-57.

    If we didn’t already have the observers and sensors in place, I’d be betting they are being moved into position. And no, I’m not limiting the idea of sensors to radar although there is a decent chance they will come in range of some radar we can access so we can learn just how good their radar-evasion really is.

  • Feb 25, 2018 @ 21:39 at 21:39
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    Those Su-57 will never get near a battlefield or engage in a dog fight. They are there for PR purposes only. If one were shot down Russia would lose too much face amongst middle eastern countries and especially their new ally (of convenience only) Iran. Russia still needs Iranian proxies to die in an attempt to cause casualties to US forces in Syria. Why? Russia wants land bridge to the med (Tartus and Latakia) their new natural gas terminal and naval base. Iran wants to surround Israel in order to scare offf Saudi Arabia and other gulf states before they get down to killing Jews with asymetric warefare..

    A few US casualties and the MSM will be howling at Trump to withdraw US forces. In other words, let the left wing press do what Iranian and Russian soldiers could not. Its a bluff. Ground the US air force with the fearsome presence of Russian 5th gen fighters. Next will be more ground attacks, Russians need US air assets out of the way because they were clearly decisive in the last confrontation and neither Russia nor Iran has an answer to US and Israeli air power.

  • Mar 12, 2018 @ 22:31 at 22:31
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    I think these jets could be destroyed by Israel on the ground before ever being allowed to take off.

  • Apr 13, 2018 @ 15:21 at 15:21
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    I hope, that soon there will be no war at all!

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