Trump heads for summit with Rouhani. Israel caught by surprise
President Donald Trump said Tuesday night July 31: “I have a feeling they’ll be talking to us pretty soon. And maybe not, and that’s OK too.” He sounded exactly as he did before meeting Kim Jong-un in Singapore on June 7. Israel, caught by surprise, reported an assurance from “a senior US official” that “there is no change in the tough policy against Iran.”
This development should not have come as a surprise. He led up to it two months ago. On June 7, Trump came out with this comment: “Iran is a different place than it was two months ago, And we’ll see what happens. And maybe, ultimately, something will happen with Iran.” On another occasion, he said: “Iran is acting a lot differently. They’re no longer looking so much to the Mediterranean. They’re no long looking so much to what’s going on in Syria, what’s going on in Yemen and a lot of other places.” Then, in a broad hint to his intention, he said: “They’re a much, much different group of leaders. And I hope at some point they’ll come to us and we’ll sit down.”
These were no meaningless, off-the-cuff comments, as Trump’s utterances are often treated by news media, including those of Israel – until they are fed official briefings. They offered a window to a solid diplomatic process that was quietly gaining momentum. From early June, US and Iranian emissaries have been holding exploratory talks through Oman’s good offices. Israel’s diplomatic and intelligence eyes and ears missed what was going on, because they took it for granted that the Trump administration would not embrace an initiative as far-reaching as this without letting Jerusalem know.
But that’s exactly what happened. Israel should have been alerted by the comings and goings of Omani Foreign Minister Yusuf bin Alawi bin Abdullah between Washington and Tehran, and Iranian Foreign Minister Muhamed Javad Zarif’s visit to Muscat in early July. The two ministers were the live wires in the two years of back-door diplomacy which culminated in the Obama administration signing the 2015 nuclear deal with Iran.
On Monday, July 30, DEBKAfile first revealed that such contacts were afoot under the caption: “Iran secretly explores Trump’s terms for negotiating new nuclear deal.” The next day Trump said quite openly that he was ready to meet President Hassan Rouhani with no prior conditions.
Still, Jerusalem was so taken aback by the news that it was officially struck dumb for two days. Then, on Tuesday night, an anonymous Israel official offered a terse, initial statement: “Senior US officials conveyed to Israel that there is no change in the tough policy against Iran.” This sentence, which showed Jerusalem to be still off-balance over the news, left three questions still unanswered:
- Did the Trump administration let Israel know about the start of secret diplomatic exchanges with Iran for setting up negotiations on an amended nuclear pact that would also cover ballistic missiles and other issues? Or was Jerusalem left in the dark? DEBKAfile’s sources believe that the first heads-up came from the White House no earlier than Tuesday night, i.e., two months after the process began.
- Even that single sentence contained an inaccuracy. The very fact that Trump is willing to sit down with Rouhani is in itself a change of policy.
- Negotiations inevitably lead the parties concerned into policy changes for the sake of reaching common ground. So what will the American side cede for an accord?
At the same time, it may be noted that, along with Trump’s liking for summits with America’s adversaries, he did not lift the tough US sanctions on North Korea before meeting Kim in Singapore, or on Russia, before sitting down with President Vladimir Putin in Helsinki. The process with Iran may, or may not, turn out differently.
Amazing… If Trump could do this… The question will be… Why couldn’t Bibi/Israel have done this? – If this works… Then the world may now be looking at Israel in even more negativity… Is God really with Israel?… Maybe Jewry is the cancer of this world after all? Maybe Jews are actually just very very selfish people? By a positive outcome with Iran… May turn the world’s opinion against Israel to the point… Where Israel maybe considered the problem… After living in Jerusalem for 10 years. I have clearly seen that in some ways. That Europe did what was right for itself 70 years ago. Why do I say this? Well… Look at the Muslims in Europe now… Well. Think what it was like when Jews ruled over Europe and Russia? No one likes it…This will send shockwaves to Jewry… Instead of being against Jewry. Which by international law is illegal. The best thing one can do… Is be over-for Jewry. Simply by encouraging Jewry to strive will only help Jewry accelerate it’s awaiting almighty judgement from God. – Now we are about to witness Israel become increasingly even more isolated. And… They cannot moan to Trump. As his has done a lot of good for Israel…. And now Israel will winge and whine about this… But no one will listen anymore to them… Unless Israel changes. Israel has well an trully and completely lost the way. Infact the people here are simply rejects from host nations… Wonder why? ?
you are so far off the mark. When arab states are constantly shouting death to Israel. send their proxies to incite wars and destruction Israel can not engage in di0lomacy when it is fighting for its very existence. If Iran backs down, a new chance for the world may come up. If Iran stops paying and arming terrorists , it,s citizens may actually have a chance at a good life. Right now the people are ready to hang the mullahs who have destroyed Iran.
@ Twogunz: After liberating “rebel” areas, the SAA found alot of weapons MADE IN ISRAEL. Israel bombed a legit government fighting to protect their citizens from terror. Israel treated those same terrorists so that they could come back to fight… Because its funny to watch Muslims fighting Muslims. Right?
Who is the sponsor if terrorism here?
Who is subverting international laws here?
Who acts like a rogue state?
Where can you find an (officially) racial, apartheid state in the map nowadays?
Jewry should rethink their place in this world, yes. Before things get sour.
The landlord is coming. Time to pack and leave. As they say “In 25 years…” tic-toc
Nation state does not mean “apartheid state” as you suggest. Check for Wikipedia.org for “nation state” and you will find your answers for the concept in of a nation state in general and for the situation of the state of Israel in particular.
You may also find the definition of a TRUE ARAB APARTHEID STATE in the Constitution of the Palestinians, check for “Constitution of Palestine (2003)” on Wikisource.org.
Dare to compare!
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what an idiot you are. the torah teaches jews to be humble. some are. look at muslims today violent thieves. and christians greedy materialistic hypocrites who do anything to make a buck. jews rule europe? are you mad? jews ruled over israel long ago and now again- guess that you don’t like so you act like an idiot. europe today however will soon be ruled by violent muslims and sharia law, hope you have fun with that.
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What a total idiotic comment. Rouhani and any other Iran leader would never sit down with Bibi/Israel. They demand Israel’s destruction. The only reason he will sit with Trump is because he is afraid of him. The US is way more powerful than Israel. Israel should NEVER change it’s ways. If they do they will be destroyed. Goyim you are a sick demented individual who clearly hates the Jewish people. F*ck you.
If Israel is a cancer and G-D dedicated more than 1000 pages of love towards Israel then your opinion will be swallowed up by the ground just like Kora’s was!
…and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for gain. (Daniel 11:36-39)
AFTER THE war Winston Churchill wished to quote from a letter written to him by Chancellor Heinrich Brüning, then residing at Oxford, England, on August 28, 1937, about the big industrialists who had supported the Nazis before and after their accession to power.
Brüning was reluctant to provide any ammunition that might be used against his fellow Germans in “the so-called war crimes trials.” He felt [he wrote] that Friedrich Flick and the IG Farben company were blameless, having been forced to make their contributions after the Nazis came to power; and added,
“I did not and do not even today, for understandable reasons, wish to reveal that from October 1928 the two largest regular contributors to the Nazi Party were the general managers of two of the largest Berlin banks, both of Jewish faith, and one of them the leader of Zionism in Germany.”
Brüning [wrote that he] also knew that French sources, including the Schneider-Creusot works and both French intelligence services, had paid one half of Hitler’s revenue from 1921 until 1932; that the SA and SS had before 1933 been equipped largely with revolvers and machine guns made in the United States.
(Source: Letter from Heinrich Brüning to Daniel Longwell, February 7,1948; Longwell collection, Butler Library, Columbia University, New York City)
Ok, your grandmother was kapo at Mathausen and got hanged for it after the war, but this is not a reason to be formal Nazi all the time and along your family tree. Interestingly, you have put an extensive effort to collect all the thousands texts and have them ready for cut&paste, possibly tens of years, and all this only for the pale result to come here and spread your poison with no result? I pity you.
Netanyahu the scumbag cunt is going to be fcucked up lol……Netanyau is an arrogant fat fuck and Trump knows it lol…..
one more jew hater > Eat your liver out you goy
Painfully ignorant, foolish, wordly, Satanically-inspired, and Bible-denying stance on Israel, your comment was. I have no words.
What in the world are you talking about?
Wow ! Do you also read what you write ?
I was falling asleep .
BS !
Trump will look after Trump
“Trump will look after Trump”
Obama looked after his “legacy”.
Are you 12 years old? It is better to talk to people than not? its how problems get solved it is almost like some people like being in conflict!
Different group of people….
Same different group of people that have shot at 2 Saudi oil tankers in the red sea not a week ago. Same different group of people that have now shut down 5 mbpd oil transiting Suez..
Trump getting instructions from Putin again no doubt. And his base will lap this up.
What an absurd world we live in….
LOL.Trump is Trump . Talks with Putin / Kim what have they really achieved?
Trump is buying time . He needs to grow firmer roots in his domain before he earns the freedom to act
He will likely never lets his friends down
Maybe you’ll assassinate yourself (we can only hope)…go and have a last wank before ending it all, you miserable fuckwit.
Americans will betray again .It’s their job.I have no other explanation.
“Americans will betray again .It’s their job.I have no other explanation.”
@Cosmin M.,
To be noted: Barack Obama is no longer President, Herman Munster is no longer Secretary of State and Susan Rice is no longer US Ambassador to the U.N.
Sadly you are probably right. But the Torah makes it quite clear that Elam (part of modern day Iran) will be smashed to pieces. https://youtu.be/7ILEHheunWI
Thank you debka for your questions and analysis, if these mixed signals from Washington true then maybe there is some conections between 2 presidents? I even feel that both the israeli and iranian peoples are alone..after all different palestinians groups like hezbollah did not get power yesterday, mullahs and sepah in Iran made them strong for at least 20 years ago, how come nobody reacted? Who is realy responsible for that fatal miss after that so called revolution in Iran?
As salaam alaikum courageous Hamas noble men! There is only one interpretation: traitor Iran is siding with Amerika. This is a moment of mourning, and also a moment of reconsidering our options. Be brave, Allah willing, and with good preparation, we may escape and secretly mix in all over the Arab world as if nothing had happened.
We had a beautiful dream, but the adversity of the enemy was very strong. May God’s mercy be upon us!
Wa-Alaikum-Salaam brother Abdel. Best place available quickly for people with small resources and with a promise to take over the whole country:
– Amman
– Tunis
– Paris.
May Allah’s mercy be upon us, these are difficult times!
What? France, Belgium, Germany are already taken!
But you are welcome to get in. Islam is go great!
Allah has placed a black scarf over the eyes of all democrats in Europe, and funny thing they never noticed.
This report is total BS. Typical of DEBKAfile.
Exactly! 🙂
really debka 1st with news good on u the old drop in rail must be a good one.. time now for isreal to give iranians & proxies a hammering in syria get psalm 83 into action
Yeah, the information is somewhat good but the analysis is problematic.
It is highly likely that Israel knew this was coming and endorsed Trump’s offer/proposal with great glee!
Trump represents what Iran has called “The Great Satan” and thus meeting with Trump would be viewed by some of the Ayatollahs’ most ardent supporters as meeting with the Devil himself.
The timing is also absolutely awful for the mullahs. This is coming at the time when Trump/USA is imposing more sanctions and as it prepares to try to ban Iranian oil exports. So meeting with Trump is going to be viewed as caving to pressure from Trump/USA and if they don’t get the sanctions lifted their agreement to meet with Trump will be viewed as a complete failure.
Trump is also not a diplomat so you could have him on Iranian soil praising the protesters?
And the failure to meet with Trump can be interpreted as being a snub to the USA and an unwillingness to even negotiate with the USA. This will make it more difficult for the Europeans to try to ignore the USA sanctions on Iran.
It works for Trump domestically as well. . .
So you have the Iranians trying to set a Trump acceptance of their previous nuclear deal as a pre-condition to meeting with Trump. But everyone knows that cannot happen – and that makes the mullahs look like they are not dealing with reality and don’t want a peaceful resolution.
If Iran doesn’t meet with Trump the odds that the USA ends up attacking Iran go up although I’m not sure by how much the odds increase.
The dynamics within the Iranian aristocracy may be a big problem as well but I’m not sure how they play out.
Trump just handed Iran a big problem and I’d be betting heavily that Netanyahu is delighted with the move.
Finally a sensible comment with no hysterical blabbering. Thank you.
Hopefully the security of the Jewish state will not be a subject for “bargaining”, at which the ayatollahs
are much better, than even the super-fat piglet Kim…
Iranian regime is not to be trusted, Iranian people are not to be trusted either, unless they remove and punish the mullahs and their supporters to prove themselves. Until then everything they say and do is a lie and deception, and their main goal remains destruction of all non-muslim civilizations and their means are terrorism, propaganda and lies.
ISISrselis cannot be trusted you keep fucking your friends in the arse….USS Liberty and 911…..you fruitcakes don’t have fucking clue….
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Its not hate speech dumb fuck.. Israel clearly support terrorists so why not call it isisrael.. Oh sorry i forget its a fake-jew pro-gay colony. Isis-gay-rael. Oh yeah i forgot jerusalem is also the best gay land that you make with your pride parade because isis-rael is not only proterrorists its progay also.
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Let”s wait and see. Perhaps Trump was secretive to avoid interference from anyone. He has his own agenda, and I believe he has Israel best interest at heart. To me, proof of Trump’s success will be determined by actions on the part of Iran…..remove troops from Syria, open all nuclear facilities to inspection. I don’t trust Iran for one second, but I don’t believe Trump will allow Iran a free ride like Obama did.
They are open to inspections you retard…this is the problem with you dumb fucks you don’t have a fucking clue…..Iran has signed the NPT has regular inspections at it’s facilities and there is cameras there…so what the fuck are you talking about dumbo ?
Rick is ISISrarl going to open up it’s UNDECLARED NUCLEAR facilities ? Because Iran has and ISISrael has not…..you dumb fuck Rick….
Sometimes I wonder why Israel always feel insecure, Obama gave Israel billions worth of military hardware yet they dislike him, Trump is trying to bring peace and understanding between Israel and it’s arch-rival the Iranian regime yet they feel Trump is betraying them. Israel is not in good terms with Syria, Turkey, UK or even Russia. They don’t trust even Egypt or Saudi Arabia and Jordan. Israel acts like a twentieth century apartheid South Africa. No wonder why Hitler did what he did to the Jewry. Why can’t Israel live like any other nation! Why always think someone is going to exterminate them. Israel possesses a nuclear bomb yet they are so jumpy.
“Dark continent” – more like a dirty puddle…
I think you mean “Dark Incontinent”
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When you think everyone’s an asshole it’s probably you who is the asshole…lol…..ISISrael
A good initiative Iran could take in preparation for the meeting Trump-Rouhani is to arrest and charge Ahmadinejad for all his hateful speeches in front of UN General Assembly.
Hateful ? 911 was done by ISISrael …..and you dumb aholes don’t even know that haha….everything he said was bang on…..
Lifting Economic Sanctions is all Trump need to cede upon all his demands agreed upon
Trump knows fat fuck Netanyahu did 911 …he is going to get fcucked up badly for his murderous crimes against America…you got too cocky Milikovski and now it’s hanging time or the electric chair….
I strongly disagree with your paranoid comment. 911 was accomplished by direct energy weapons. The Nazis were the ones heavily betting on D.E.W.’s in WWII, so they had the most advanced tech on it. Fast forward to 2001 and the hidden hand was letting the USA know what they can do.
Why would Israel put the life of their little country on the line just to destroy and since there are many Jews in New York City, possible kill many of their own? That is one of the most stupid strategies they could do. You are not thinking things through.
Trump now is the enemy of ISISrael…..lol….tables have turned lads…payback time
Regretfully I have many doubts about Trump when it comes to Israel. I believe Trump supports the Saudi peace plan which is suicidal to Israel. Hence he bases his own Real Estate Deal of the Century on the Saudi plan. Thus this message to the POTUS
Dear Mr President. You came to power by the Will of the King and Creator of the world, HKB”H, through miracles. You were chosen to be the savior of Esav, bring Esav to repents and to support the Jews in Israel without any reservations. As long as you do that the USA will be blessed. Thus I would like to quote you (Faith and Freedom Coalition gathering on June 8, 2017):
“If we stay devoted to our Creator our best days are yet to come”.
And if not, if you present any plan implying the division of the Land or Jerusalem, the King and Creator of the world, HKB”H will Bring you down like He Raised you. You, the closest to you, the USA will be cursed and you and they will all fall into a deep abyss of no return. You have surely noticed the warning signs – never has a president had some much domestic public opposition and also international.
We all know that any so called peace plan will require the division of the Land of Israel. The King and Creator of the world and Guardian of Israel, HKB”H, the Owner of the world will not allow this to happen any more. So call back your team and bury your plans. Anyone who will put forward a peace plan that will even hint a division of the Holy Land, for Israel to give away even a grain of its soil for “peace” will suffer G’d’s judgment and wrath.
Senior U.S. officials involved in drafting your Middle East peace plan pushed back on claims from Palestinian leadership and from some officials in Europe that the plan will be biased in favor of Israel. One official said, “Our peace plan is not a ‘Bibi plan,'” referring to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
Trump, the officials said, had insisted that US recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital was not meant to prejudge the outcome of future negotiations on that issue or others between the two sides. Another argument that your aides will likely make to Palestinians is that having granted Israel recognition of its claim to Jerusalem, the US leader might now have more leverage for seeking concessions later on from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the US official said.
Now, according to a front-page New York Times report on Nov. 12, the administration is preparing what it considers to be an “ultimate deal” between Israel and the Palestinian Arabs.
This ultimate deal is suicidal to Israel. You dispatched your Court Jews. Kushner, Greenblatt and Friedman to Israel to convince (force it upon) Israel, c”v. Your emissaries spied the Land and came back with a false report. They termed Israel’s enemies as giants and featured the Hebrews as grasshoppers.
If the reported provisions of the plan are true, the your “deal of the century” would be the “disaster of the century.” Your reputation as Israel’s greatest friend would be destroyed.
Bolton holds that so called Palestinian territories of the West Bank and Gaza—which he called “bits and pieces of the collapsed Ottoman Empire” with “no particular history either of national identity or of economic interdependence”—should be ceded respectively to Jordan and Egypt.
And about Jerusalem and the embassy move. It doesn’t alter the facts on the ground. You have still long to go to comply to the expectations of G’d. Not many are familiar with the wording of the US Embassy Jerusalem and Recognition Act.
Current wording in the US Embassy Relocation Act would move the embassy to Jerusalem — but deprive Israel of sovereignty in Jerusalem.
That’s right: the bill does not officially recognize Jerusalem as part of Israel.
Spokespeople for the US State Department have made it clear that under current law, even if the US embassy moves to Jerusalem, US birth and death certificates will still be stamped “Jerusalem” — with no country listed.
You have offered your recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of the Jewish State but with a caveat:
The specific boundaries of Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem are subject to final status negotiations,” [U.S.] officials said.
This, in other words, is you are saying that Jerusalem is for sale, a property that can be negotiated. Whether or not Israel agrees.
In what universe is this friendship?
Hence, please Mr President do what G’d expects you to do and you will go down in history as the greatest president and you will have success in all your doings. On the other hand, as said here earlier, if you present any plan implying the division of the Land and or Jerusalem, the King and Creator of the world, HKB”H will Bring you down like He Raised you. You, the closest to you, the USA will be cursed and you and they will all fall into a deep abyss of no return.
Very well thought, very well said!
Bad news for the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and for the Basij militia
A new deal could possibly pass only if Iran demonstrates dismantling of all paramilitary forces PARALLEL to the regular forces of the Army, the Air Force, and the Navy, and which could be used to fight OUTSIDE the country territory. But there is good news too: Agriculture will flourish, there will be a large mass of new disciplined peasants to work the fields.
@common sense Aug 1, 2018 @ 21:44 at 21:44…………………….Quite agree very astute comments to say the least! I will add my own Common 0.2Cents. Trump is Absolutely committed to a Denuclearized North Korea and cannot possibly expect anything less than that from Iran for the removal of Sanctions and the Ending of ICBM Ballistic Testing.
Debka was spot on asking the Tough Cross Questions of what Potus Trump and Prime Minister Bibi must respond with No Crooked Answers just Plain Talk with Common Sense Answers!
Looks like the Iranian Robes Regime has some more Pressure coming from the Iran’s Protesters blocking the streets Isfahan (Persia’s 3rd Largest City) and Burning Tires taking a Page out of Hamas Book of Terror.
Once again, Persian Protesters with Angry Fists Held Up and Chanted……”Khamenei Shame On You. Let Go Of Our Country!”, over and over. As the Armed Guards fired shots and Police attack, the Thousands of Protesters defended themselves by scaring off their Oppressors by throwing stones. Even when the Regime Servants uses Teargas they had to later run away from the Protesters.
It only got worse for the Supreme Leader Khamenei and President Hassan Rouhani when the Revolutionary Guard Commander Mohammad Ali Jafari and 200 Iranian Lawmakers published an Open Letter in the Tasnim News Agency pointing out Iran’s Rial is Tumbling and is more evidence it is hurting even the Guard’s Military Organization Range of Local Companies whose Jobs and Wages are being undercut and made worthless a sure Sign Portent of more growing Black Cloud support for the Regime.
“The blame is only against those who Oppress men with wrong-doing and insolently transgress beyond bounds through the land defying right and justice: for such there will be a chastisement grievous.” (Al-Shura: 42)
Bomb iran now. No talks bombs talk international language